re.
Picture of Ned Kelly
From: Alan Crichton
[rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 31 Dec 05
Dear Julie, I believe this is a Carrington sketch. A
mixture of fancy clothing and pose from a circulated
photo of Aaron Sherritt after his death.Shirt and pants
Ned wore at Glenrowan.It is believed Ned was not impressed
when supposedly shown the sketch. P.S. Check it out in
The Last Stand book available from the Shop
All the Best for 2006
From: Paul O'Keefe [paul@kellygangeducational.com]
30 Dec 05
Dear Brad, Wishing you the best for 2006 and look forward
to reading more amazing stories on the "Juggernaut" that
Ironoutlaw has become. I just wish more people would
take time to read thoroughly through the hundreds of
pages which make up your incredible website..But If
they do though a word of warning.They might get addicted
to one of the most amazing stories in this countries
history.
Cheers Mate,
Paul O'Keefe
kellygangeducational.com
The Glenrowan Letter
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au]
28 Dec 05
Hi Brad, I wish to acquaint you with some
of the occurrences of the present, past and….
Future? In or about April of 2002, I had a heart attack
while driving to work. During the first week of my
recuperation my tactful wife brought me home a book
titled A Short Life. This was my first introduction
to the life of Edward Kelly. Since that day, I have
been drawn back in time to a most intriguing part of
our history from which I cannot escape. I have read
thousands of pages of all things Kelly and carefully
scanned every photograph I could find. The only thing
I needed to do was to fly south and see these places
for myself from Beveridge to Jerilderie, I wasn't disappointed.
The sweet fresh air, the mountain ranges,
the carefully preserved Victorian homes and the friendly
people. Out of all the places that I have visited,
the town of Glenrowan seemed to hold a fascination
for me. From that tiny corner block of land to the
railway station… so many ghosts. The quaint little
shops, escaping for a moment in conversation with Gary
Dean, and more than a moment trying to escape from
Gary Dean. I just love Glenrowan, so why would any
bugger want to seriously propose a plan for a concrete
monolith that seems to be a cross between an R.S.L
Club and an Air Traffic Control Tower to be a Ned Kelly
Tourist Centre? What worries me even more, it was designed
by a Kelly researcher and placed on a website.
My old ticker wasn't expecting this
to jump out of the screen at me and took two angina
tablets to get it under control. My plan to stop anything
like this becoming a reality is to get Paul O’Keefe,
Dave Griffith, Noeleen Lloyd and Leigh Olver to form
another “Kelly Gang”, to ride the ranges
and preserve these sacred sites and to keep the developers
and groovy designers away from these places. Round
them all up and send them to Brisbane where we're used
to having historic buildings demolished and replaced
with corporate coffins. Could you imagine something
like this in the middle of Beechworth? What will happen
to the local merchants of Glenrowan?
They tell us the building has to keep
with modern times, to tell you the truth, sometimes
I'm bloody sick of the modern times. Maybe it would
be more suited for Wodonga or the Albury Airport. At
least the council has knocked this one on the head,
but I'm sure there will be more.
Keep the buggers at bay.
I am a widow’s son outraged
And my orders must be obeyed (If it’s ok with
you guys)
P.S. Maybe a concrete lighthouse could be built at
Stringybark Creek to point me in the direction of these
two huts.
Picture of Ned Kelly
From: Julie Hannah [julie_hannah@iinet.net.au]
24 Dec 05
Hi.
I am trying to find out where a certain picture
of Ned Kelly originates. Is it actually him?
It is the picture that features on the front
of Keith Dunstans’ book Saint Ned although
this is the head only. I have attached. I have
seen an illustrated version in a book called The
Great Treasury of Australian Folklore compiled
by A.K. MacDougall on page 130 where it is the
full length of Ned Kelly leaning on a stump.
The illustrations in this book were drawn principally
from nineteenth century and early twentieth century
books and periodicals. If you can help or steer
me in the correct direction that would be great.
Thanks.
Mail Order
From: Neil Whitehead [NWhitehead@wodonga.vic.gov.au]
22 Dec 05
Good afternoon Brad. Just a quick note to say hi and
wish you and all @ Ironoutlaw the very best for the
festive season. Had not logged on to Ironoutlaw for
a month or so , and was delighted to find when visiting
on Monday that The Last Outlaw was finally available
on DVD - fantastic ! Have therefore sent a cheque in
the mail today for that "must have" copy
which I'm sure will be a wonderful improvement on my
grainy videos which are wearing out. Keep up the great
work with the web site and again best wishes for Christmas
and the New Year. Cheers!
re. Luck of the Irish be Buggered!
From: Katrina Jackson [kat_jak@hotmail.com]
22 Dec 05
Mr Crichton, In Ned's time photographs where expensive
and for people like himself and his family those sort
of things where a luxuary as what ever money they could
spare was spent on essential things like food etc.
There was only a few photography's taken of the other
member's of the gang (Steve Hart and Joe Byrne). I
also believe there was only one or two of Dan Kelly
made and I think they where when he was in prision.
Joe Byrne only had one photo taken while he alive.
Oh my God!
From: Aidan Phelan [aidan_phelan@yahoo.com.au]
15 Dec 05
OMG! It finally happened! "The Last Outlaw" is
on DVD!!! How long has it been since we all started
badgering channel seven to release it? I only just
found out. I hadn't checked the site for ages. Once
I get my affairs together, I'm going to order a copy.
This is fantastic news! I'd like to here more about
how it came to be. Hope to hear from you soon. Well, “in
the Beginning there was dark and”...
The Last Outlaw
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach7@ains.net.au]
15 Dec 05
Just picked up The Last Outlaw on DVD. Very excited
I was to find we FINALLY have this terrific mini-series
on DVD, and as a "Collector's Edition" no
less! I hurried home, eager to find the extras that
made this such an extra special "Collector's Edition"!
What could be better? A commentary by Ian Jones for
each episode! A commentary by the directors maybe!
Interviews with John Jarratt and other cast members!
A look inside the production from behind the scenes!
PR materials! Advertising! Photo Gallery! I mean, it's
a "Collector's Edition" right? It'll have
stuff like this! Well, well, well, I get home and find
there's nothing. Not one thing. The four episodes (not
digitally remastered) and a plastic case. Well, jeeez,
thanks for making this "Collector's Edition" nothing
more than a "Standard Edition". After waiting
so much time for this release, and having to put up
with the buck passing between Jones and Channel 7,
they give us the most uncollectible "Collector's
Edition" ever. Thanks for your support, here have
this knock-off. Also, interesting to see Channel 7's
logo all over the release, considering they told me
on numerous occasions they had no rights or interest
in it. Good to have the mini series released on DVD,
but this "Collector's Edition" is surely
false advertising. Poor form all round! I
guess we will all just have to wait for the “Remastered
Gold Super Special Limited Box Set Collector's Edition”...
re: Luck of the Irish be Buggered!
From: Paul O'Keefe
[paul@kellygangeducational.com]11 Dec 05
Dear Brad, I really liked the feedback from Alan Crichton.
I agree that poor Ned didn't have much luck on his
side. I dont know if Alan is aware but when the police
took position prior to all the gunfire at the siege
Hare yelled out to Ned... "Surrender in the name
of the Queen" and Ned yelled back "Surrender
be Buggered" Well bugger
me! (not literally of course...)
Luck of the Irish be Buggered!
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au]
10 Dec 05
Hi Brad. Just having a bit of a look at some
of the events that had an impact on Ned over his short
life:
1 A stroll along a
creek as a ten year old, sees him seconds later struggling
for his own life saving Dick Shelton from drowning
- Bugger!
2 Goes off with Harry Power to
earn some money for his family and comes back with
bugger all and half dead - Bugger!
3 Gets blamed for Harry's capture
and has his own family turn against him - Bugger!
4 Delivers a note for Ben Gould
and gets arrested for indecent behaviour - Bugger!
5 Gets out of prison and finds
a lost horse of a family friend, gets shot at and
bashed over the head with a revolver and given
three years - Bugger!
6 Has a quiet drink in Benalla
after he gets out, and wakes up in the local cell.
Next morning he's in the middle of a brawl with
four coppers with one of them got him by the tiny
taters in the bootmakers shop - Bugger!
7 While holding up four police
for their guns and horses,ends up having to kill
three of them in self defence,and the one he was
warned to handcuff earlier, knocks off his mates
horse and escapes - Bugger!
8 Writes 8300 words in a document
to explain why he did what he did and wants it
printed in the paper. After holding up the whole
town the only bugger who gets away is the bloody
editor. The next thing you know it's in the hands
of the police and lost for 50 years - Bugger!
9 Holds up the town of Glenrowan
to hit back at the police and tears up the tracks
to stop the train. The only hostage he trusts and
lets go, stops the train and warns the police - Bugger!
10 At the start of the first volley,
dressed in 40 kilos of iron armour, gets shot in
the big toe - Bugger!
11 Then someone lets off the bloody
rockets, and all hell breaks loose - Bugger!
12 After escaping, finds out his
brother and his mate are still in the inn, so then
he's got to go back and save them - Bugger!
13 Even Ned couldn't get out of
this one, so after capture, months later he's facing
a judge who hates his guts, defended by a first
year barrister who doesn't know his case - Bugger!
14 As they placed the rope around
his neck, I'm sure Ned's last words were “Well
I s'pose it has come to this - Bugger!”
P.S. I have seen five
photographs of Ned.Two taken at 15 and 18,two taken
for his family at Melbourne Jail,and the boxing one.I
was wondering if you knew of others that were in family
possessions that were not for public viewing?It seems
strange that a man of Ned's character,(in your face)would
not have had more taken. Well
thought out Alan!
Ned Kelly in The Scotsman
From: Simon Whitaker [simonjwhitaker@yahoo.com]
02 Dec 05
I have long been a fan of your site, I just wanted
to let you know that The Scotsman newspaper
has all their old editions online, I discovered an
interesting article of the capture of Ned. It was not
in a saveable format you you'll have to read it online,
just go to archive.scotsman.com and
sign up for a free trial. The story is in the Tuesday
10th August 1880 edition, or just do a search on Ned
Kelly. One interesting aspect is that Jones' Hotel
is descibed as a bluestone building, I've never heard
that mentioned before. The free trial ends on the 7th
Dec. I think. Keep up the good work!
Puzzled
From: Jacqi Akers [akersoflawn@optusnet.com.au]
16 Nov 05
To whome it may concern. I am puzzled why a web site
about Ned Kelly would not have any information about
Ned Kelly himself? I find this very weird. Thankyou. I
know, I know, I have way too much stuff about Kylie
Minogue here don’t I...
Ned Kelly - Hero of the Common
Man
From: L Edmonston [abberdeen@bigpond.com]
13 Nov 05
Dear Sir, I am an unashamed Kelly supporter, who has
also read "The Inner History of the Kelly Gang" and
thought it an excellent and truthful read. My blood
boils when I hear untruths about the Kelly's, as the
basis of their story is that the English hated the
Irish, which has roots in the way the Irish fought
to save their country from being invaded centuries
ago, and these hatreds were brought out to Australia
and exercised by English soldiers on the Irish miners
(Eureka Rebellion) and by English police on settlers
like the Kelly's at every available opportunity. Ned
Kelly and others like him, were almost forced into
doing what they did to survive. Ned Kelly was not a
murderer, but rather only shot in self-defence. There
were many police in the Kelly story who deserved to
be hanged before him. Ned Kelly was careful and respectful
of women and children, but at the siege of Glenrowan,
police fired into women and children without a thought.
Australia did have real bushrangers, like Mad-dog Morgan
etc. but Ned Kelly should never be put in the same
box as these. He was a cut-above most others in the
Kelly story, because he was essentially a decent, popular,
good human being who responded to the "loaded
dice" he was dealt.
Thomas Curnow
From: Michael Ball [michaelball@optusnet.com.au]
09 Nov 05
Hi. I have many books on Ned (some purchased from you)
and in one of them I read, was that he left the area
and changed his name... But I cannot find my source.
Can you put me out of my misery? I am doing a time
line on Ned and wanted to include this in the time
line. P.S. Looking forward to Einstein Factor
next Sunday! Best bet is
to read over Justin Corfield’s massive tome “The
Ned Kelly Encyclopaedia”
Ned Kelly Books in Large Print
From: Therese Lafferty [ndlaff@iinet.net.au]
31 Oct 05
Hi. I'm trying to find any Ned Kelly books that have
been published in large print, for my 75 year old mother.
Do you have anything like this in stock, or would you
know of any suppliers that may be able to help? With
many thanks. Check your local
library
Royal Commission Report
From: Mick Phillips [sinloi@optusnet.com.au]
28 Oct 05
G'day Brad. I've been scouring Ned Kelly websites for
quite a while (yours is outstanding). I'm trying to
locate a copy of the Royal Commission Report into the
Kelly Outbreak, particularly a facsimile edition which
was produced by Griffin Press in 1968. It was a numbered
edition and I actually had the chance to buy a copy
years ago in Glenrowan but unfortunately I was a very
poor apprentice printer at the time. Anyway, do you
know this publication I'm referring to, and better
still, could you put me on the trail of a copy for
sale? Any and all help would be much appreciated. You
could try Abe
Books or even eBay if
you’re feeling lucky...
Kelly Armour
From: Steve Bevin [vu_doo2@hotmail.com]
27 Oct 05
I am writing to you in the hope that I maybe able to
track down a copy of a print of the kelly armour which
I believe was taken whilst the set was together in
2003 at the Melbourne Jail. I can only describe it
as being a black and white print of all four sets together
possibly taken by a company ironsidepublishing (which
I am unable to find). I have a print of Ned's Armour
taken by these people but would like to have one of
all four together if possible. Any help would be appreciated.
Early Movie, 1890s?
From: David Watson [david.watson@thing.net]
27 Oct 05
Hi. Some years ago, during a series on Australian movies
at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, I saw a short
clip of an early Ned Kelly movie. I believe it dated
from the 1890s. All that was left was a remnant of
a couple of minutes, but very powerful. Do you know
anything about this? I 'd love to see it again, thanks. Close,
it was 1906. For more details head over here
Australian Son
From: Brian McDonald [brianmac@isp.net.au]
24 Oct 05
Congratulations Brad on the release of Australian
Son. An excellent publication. It's fantastic
that Max's revised and extended version is now available.
Well done mate.
Brothers In Arms
From: Alan Ros [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au]
22 Oct 05
Hi Brad. Just having a bit of a look at Carrington's
book The Last Stand and looking at the
drawing he did of the two young men lying side by side
in the back room of Anne Jones Innpresumably dead.
Looking closely at the drawing, i see two boys who
have died a painful death. Their heads back, their
hands clenched into fists, and their legs drawn up.
I believe Dan found that small parcel he was frantically
looking for prior to the police arrival. He even had
Curnow helping him find it. What was going through
the minds of these two boys? One of their minders and
mentors shot dead at the bar,and the other captured
by police. Ned, brother, mentor and leader,will he
die at the station from his wounds, or from the hangman's
rope? They are not to know.
The last of the people left in the inn have gone, and
they are standing side by side, brothers in arms, alone.
Dan now knows the burden a leader carries, for Steve
is looking to him for direction. He knows there is
no hope, and remembers the pact they had all taken.
They laid themselves out in the back room after they
had taken the poison, and waited for it to take effect.
The side effect was painful, but they would see it
through. The police would not take them alive so they
can die at the end of a rope. The pain was so severe,
they clenched their fists and drew up their legs to
ride it out. While waiting for death, did Dan regret
not going with Fitzpatrick over a horsestealing charge,
which ultimately led them down a path of destruction?
Who's to know. I do know one thing, and so did their
families. DAN AND STEVE DIED SIDE BY SIDE AT GLENROWAN,
ALONE, AND WITH COURAGE. Food for thought.
Australian Son by
Max Brown
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au]
20 Oct 05
Dear Brad, I just wanted to write and thank you very
much for the copy of Max Brown's Australian
Son, which I received yesterday.Thank you very
much also for the copy of Ned the Exhibition and the
great bookmark that you kindly added, I really appreciate
it. Max Brown's book is without doubt one of the best
ever written about the boys, and I can't wait to read
the revised edition! The new edition has one of the
best covers ever on a Kelly Gang book, it is really
beautiful. It is really great that you released this
brilliant book! Thanks again and best wishes to you.
re. Police Uniforms
From: Glenn [tony@wyntercourt.fsnet.co.uk]
08 Oct 05
Many thanks for the Picture. So, this would be the
Uniform worn at Glenrowan and Stringybark Creek? I've
only ever seen Gregor Jordans Ned Kelly so how do the
uniforms compare to reality? I need to piece some great
detail together as some people here in the UK are interested
in re-enacting the Kelly Saga, the Police being a major
focus. Any information would be an awesome help! Best
wishes. Anyone else got any
leads?
Family History
From: Amanda Brown [tuppenyone@austarnet.com.au]
05 Oct 05
I have, for the last few years, been researching
my family history. My great-grandfather ALFRED WILLIAM
SWALLING lived in the Riverina district during Ned
Kelly's life and supposedly was a Ned Kelly sympathiser.
Apparently, my great-grandfather was called "the
Bishop" by the Kelly gang because he always wore
black. One of my mother's older cousins has related
to me that my great-grand father was actually in the
bank at the Seige of Jerilderee, but was told by one
of the Kelly gang "you can go, Bishop." Since
I have not found anything to verify this, I assume
the story is a load of bunkum. What do you think. By
the way, I have only just stumbled on your site. Congratulations!
What an abundance of information.
Such and Such
From: Josh Rutledge [kriegkind@yahoo.com]
05 Oct 05
I am wondering were I could find Ned's last speech
in its entirety? Contrary
to popular myth, Ned didn't make a rambling dialogue
just before he dropped to eternity. Reports say his
final words were simply “Arr well, I suppose
it has to come to this. Such... (is life?)”
One 26 year old Proud Australian
Patriot
From: Mr Mofo Al [godspeeddude@yahoo.com.au]
30 Sep 05
Hello ironoutlaw, one of and perhaps the best site
for Ned Kelly info in Australia and while im at it
'the world!'. I recently traveled through Victoria
from Melbourne (yes i did the Ned Kelly goal tour and
the Victoria police museum) to Canberra and we decided
to take our time in visiting the landmarks of our brilliant
honorable identities known as the Kelly gang, we were
very fascinated by places such as the Benalla museum.
However when we pulled into Glenrowan, the most infamous
site of the whole saga as known by most Australians
who even may have the smallest amount of Ned Kelly
knowledge. Im not completely certain if there are some
Australian/Victorian laws concerning historical landmarks
being left untouched, but we were very disappointed
to find the vacant land where the last stand was, to
be in complete disorder. This town Glenrowan basis
so much of its income on the fact it is so rich in
history and can allow tourist to come bask in! its
splendor. We drove straight past the Anne Jones inn
site at first and had to look at the map because we
couldn't find it. Because the fact that the land itself
is surrounded by a decaying wire fence, the ground
is covered in long weeds, trees and littered with what
looked like an old bath and goodness knows what else
i didn't see at the time. I wouldn't let my horse or
sheep walk around on this property. Perhaps people
may think im being a little too disheartened to all
this, but i just expected a little more effort from
a country's government to display a more prestigious
monument to such a historical pinnacle. Thank you,
signed one 26 year old proud Australian patriot.
Sheila Denham
From: Lesley Dewar [dewar912@iinet.net.au]
25 Sep 05
Can you please give me a contact email address for
Ian Jones? I am trying to confirm with him (as the
writer of the Mike Jagger version of Ned Kelly)
of the role played in the movie by my mother in law,
Sheila Denham. Sheila was well known personally to
Jagger, Faithful, Richardson and others. She was not
allowed to speak because of her Anglo Indian accent. Ian's
not on the Internet. He's an old fashioned kind of
guy. Your best bet is to write to him via his publisher
Lothian Books and they will pass it on
Police Uniforms
From: Glenn [tony@wyntercourt.fsnet.co.uk]
20 Sep 05
Hi
there. Fantastic website, I take my hat off to
you. I was wondering, could you point me in the
right direction on how to find detailed pictures
or descriptions of the Uniforms worn by Police
Officers during the Kelly saga? Were they along
the lines of the ones in 2003 movie?? Any help
greatly appreciated. Here's
one from the magical brush of Norman Lindsay...
A Penny for your Thoughts
From: John Chris Dotson [jdotson@pngpower.com.pg]
07 Sep 05
I have an Australian penny coin dated 1943
for sale. Could you help me find a buyer for this coin.
I am from Papua New Guinea a former colony of Australia. Try eBay...
From smh.com.au
From: Barry El-Tahche [Bashir.Eltahche@netapp.com]
06 Sep 05
Found some info on smh.com.au. Hi, was surfing
smh.com.au and found the following article titled True
pictures of the Kelly Gang. Justed scratch the
surface. May be of interest. Thanks
for the heads up! Bloody cow horns... A crap piece
of artwork from a dubious origin. Anyone who forks
out big bucks to buy something as worthless as this
doesn't deserve to hold onto their money in the first
place! As for “True”, think Peter Carey
and you’ll catch my drift...
Gorilla Warfare?
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au]
03 Sep 05
Hi Brad, just having a bit of a look at page
47 of Jerilderie Letter and
reading the boys' normal appreciation & description
of the Victoria police. "More like the species
of a baboon or guerilla than a man". My question
is, for boys from the bush, where did they come across
this word "GUERILLA"? Have a sneaky suspicion
they didn't read too many books on primates. In their
mind when writing this letter, there was only one way
of spelling this word, the way they had seen it many
times before. Had the boys been secretly subscribing
to GUERILLA WEEKLY, or was this just a slip of the
pen? Guerilla: member of irregular armed force especially
fighting established force eg. Government etc. I believe
they considered themselves guerillas and knew exactly
what the word meant NOT OUTLAWS, and this was their
justification for what they did. Food for thought.
Re: Michael Nolan
From: Sharon Hollingsworth
[sharonandchuck@myfastmail.com] 23 Aug 05
Dear Brad, in response to the
gentleman seeking information on his ancestor,
Michael Nolan, a "Michael Nolan" of Greta
was on the police list of known Kelly sympathisers
(found in the Documents section of Ironoutlaw),
and he was considered to be part of the "Greta
Mob" according to that same list. Also, in
the book "Ned and the Others" by Dagmar
Balcarek and Gary Dean, it says that Michael Nolan
went to Melbourne along with Tom Lloyd and Ned's
sisters Maggie and Kate to buy ammunition for the
gang from Rosier's Gunshop. See J.J. Kenneally's
book "The Inner History of the Kelly Gang" for
more details of this trip and the delivery of the
ammo to the gang, though Nolan is not specifically
named. Hope this helps!
Michael Nolan
From: Mick Nolan [mandanolan@optusnet.com.au]
23 Aug 05
Have you any info on the Michael Nolan? He
was locked up for been a Kelly friend! I am the great
grand son of him in QLD and worked at Ned Kelly's last
Stand in Glennrowan as an an actor a few year's ago,
and need some info if you have it. I
do have a Jack Nolan in my records, any relation?
Phenix City, Alabama
From: Stephenie McGucken
[chsoblover08@aol.com] 20 Aug 05
I am a fifteen year old high school student
in the US who is working with two other people on a
History Project. We have chosen Ned Kelly as our topic,
as we feel that he is an important person in history
because of the stand he took. We were wondering if
you might have any suggestions for us concerning all
things Ned. Start here
re. Max Brown
From: Brian McDonald [brianmac@isp.net.au]
19 Aug 05
Hi Brad. In reply to Alan regarding the dust
wrapper to the first edition of Australian Son. I believe
that the wrapper was the same for all the editions,
the only thing that may have changed is the price printed
(12/6 net) on the bottom of the section folded in the
book i.e. under the information about the author. This
is the price for the first edition but I'm not sure
whether the price is on the other editions or if the
triangular section was cut off (as was the practice)
if the book price increased. (Sometimes referred to
by bookdealers as "price clipped" in their
descriptions). I know that the cover illustration on
Kenneally's book differed from the second and subsequent
editions. The first edition has the portrait of Kelly
without the helmet on. Hope this helps and I will be
sending you the money for the pre-purchase in the next
few days. Congratulations again Brad for making this
update available. Thanks
for your support Brian. After the publishers I approached
wanted to make moronic changes to the Australian
Son manuscript which we knew would be against
Max's wishes, Chester Eagle and I decided to bank-roll
the project ourselves...
Ned Kelly Relative
From: Madelene Davis [mdavi162@eq.edu.au]
17 Aug 05
I am doin a spoken assignment for english
at school and we have to research about Australian
idols and icons so i thought that ned kelly could be
one of the things that i talk about in my speech, i
was reading the information you produced about Ned
Kelly and i saw the bit that said you were related
to him in some way, i am also related to Ned Kelly
in some way through Blood... im not sure how because
my mother has yet to do our family tree, i might be
wrong about this somewhere along the line, but his
was mother was madelene kelly or some thing and and
she is my nana's great great great grandmother or something
like that, im not to sure how it works but yes, forgive
me if i am wrong because i very well could be! Small
world isnt it? Apparently
it’s very small as I don’t remember saying
I was related to Ned!
Max Brown
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au]
16 Aug 05
I have just recently purchased a first edition copy
of Max Brown's AUSTRALIAN SON from a shop in Glenrowan.
However after reading your book review page my copy
has the 1956 dust jacket. Could you please tell me
what the 1948 edition looks like? I hope i haven't
been misled. First edition
was definitely 1948. Unfortunately I don't have a copy
myself so the cover may or may not be different to
the 1956 edition. Read more about the book in our Australian
Son section
Ned Kelly’s Jurors
From: Cassandra Gallagher
[cass.chris@xtra.co.nz] 04 Aug 05
Hi, have just visted your web site and I wondered
if there is any way of finding out who was in the jury
for Ned Kelly. Any information will be appreciated. Check
out Justin Corfield’s “The Ned Kelly Encyclopaedia” for
all your answers...
Ned Kelly Fireman Tattoo
From: Simone Herriman [ashben64@bigpond.com]
02 Aug 05
I was just womdering if anyone could help
me find the tattoo of Ned Kelly with fire hose and
axe have seen one put just can not get my hands on
a copy please help already have several tattoos of
ned now but have special interest in this one as i
am a firefighter.
The Last Outlaw
From: Grace Canazza [grace.canazza@bigpond.com]
31 Jul 05
I wish to say I support the petition to Channel
7. Managed to tape some of a recent rerun of this great
series but my tapes chewed up. Would love it on DVD,
I was under the impression this was coming out last
year but I have never seen it in the shops and this
is obviously why. It was still terrific to see after
all these years especially after that dreadful movie
with Health Ledger. What were they thinking? I see
Ned was in the Age today - very interesting article
indeed. Could you please add my name to any future
emals with info on the hopeful release of this mini
series? I see in the ABC shop quite a few classic Australian
show are finally being released. You can add me to
the petition as well with the words - it is high time
we get to see again this well made and well acted mini
series on an important part of Australian history. That
petition is well and truely closed. I sent it off to
Channel 7 ages ago without any reply. Still, one day
a DVD may appear...
Relations
From: Faith Eden [Faith.Eden@stclaresc.act.edu.au]
29 Jul 05
Someone told me they are related
to Joe (member of the Kelly gang) there last name
is Kirby I was wondering if you could help me with
this and get back to me as soon as possible thanks
heaps.
The Last Outlaw
From: Faith Eden [Faith.Eden@stclaresc.act.edu.au]
28 Jul 05
I'm sorry to anybody that doesn't like what
I'm going to say but I hope at least one person is
going to read this. it is more than understandable
that people want The last outlaw to be shown on TV
or to come out on DVD but it seems that all we are
doing is going around in one big circle channel 7 have
already said that they will not play the mini series
and I think people should learn to live with that fact
and not do stupid things like try and copy it illegally
and if they had any brains they would realise that
if they did decide to put it on DVD they would get
alot of money from it. BUT THERE NOT! and I think people
should just get over it there's no point hammering
a nail into a brick wall! Still,
we mustn't lose Faith...
Steve Hart
From: Mel Cockram [mco54666@bigpond.net.au]
20 Jul 05
I was wondering did Steve Hart have any siblings beacause
I am doing a project on him. Thanks if you can help. Yes,
that's how Paul O'Keefe is walking this fine brown
land...
Another Relative
From: Malcolm White [finewhites@clear.net.nz]
19 Jul 05
I am Michael White and I am related to Ned Kelly himself.
He is my distant cousin. See yah. Yours sincerly. Yes,
how “sincer"
re. Dan Kelly, Cr Tully and
James Ryan
From: Lola Rowe [lolar@ozemail.com.au]
14 Jul 05
Being 125 years since the death of Steve Hart & Dan
Kelly at Glenrowan, there is always somebody who would
like to make a bigger story than the truth, Mr. Tully
being one of these people along with many more fictional
Authors, our Australian History does not need embellishments.
Coming up to 125 yrs. since Ned was hung, I am sure
there will be many more FICTIONAL tales, beware. The
Grandaughter of J.J.Kenneally has added her weight
behind this fictional story along with others and I
am sure we know a little more than Mr.Tully.
Dan Kelly
From: Warren Trick [Trick.Warren@aqis.gov.au]
05 Jul 05
I once read that every travelling show in the backblocks
of of Queensland and NSW during the depression years
had a “Dan Kelly"” or “Steve
Hart” to pull in the crowds. I'd bet money the
showmen didn't take the old imposters too close to
the Victorian border though.
Query from Germany
From: Mareike Marx [roofkick@socialdistortion.de]
05 Jul 05
Hello! First of all, this is really a great page! For
an university paper I needed information about Ned
Kelly and the gang, and your page really helped me
a lot! I hope you don't mind if I will cite and refer
to your material for my term paper?! Please tell me
how to cite your stuff. Thanks a lot and best wishes
from Germany! A new BMW will
suffice...
Dan Kelly, Cr Tully and James
Ryan
From: Ellen Hollow [hollow@alphalink.com.au]
01 Jul 05
This unproven myth has been around for years and raises
it's head every so often. So it is no surprise that
Cr Tully is at it again. The story first appeared in
print , I believe, in the book "Tales and Legends
of the Canberra Pioneers" by Sam Shemuck, which
included an account of Dan Kelly's alleged escape but
it does not identify the alleged Dan Kelly by alias,
the persons who claimed they met Dan were two shearers
in South Western NSW in about 1880. In "The Melbourne
Truth" in 1930's, then in "People" Magazine
in 1960's. These claims were later reprinted in "The
Australian Pensioner" as fortnightly feature October
- November 1983. When in Queensland Charles Devine
Tindall and Jack Day made the claim that they were
indeed the escaped Steve Hart and Dan Kelly "The
Courier Mail" September 1996 revived the story
along with "The Boarder Mail" when Gary Dean
edited the memoirs of the late Donald Hamlbeton Johnson
in a book titled "Horseman Bold." Which was
the story of Charles Devine Tindall and Jack Day. On
26th and 28th November 1999 the Herald Sun once again
ran the story corresponding with the release of Barry
McArthur's Book on the subject.
Another story given publicity in Queensland
over several years was the claim by another alleged
Dan Kelly, a vagrant named James Ryan who lived in
the Ipswich area. He sort out the press for publicity
from time to time, beginning in the late 1920's until
his death in 1948. This tale has been given further
publicity in June 2002, both in the print and TV media,
due to Cr Tully of Ipswich who has proposed memorial
to be placed to honour Ryan. Launched in September
2002 a book by Vince Allen "Burnt to a Cinder
,Was I?" would appear to be a rehash of the James
Ryan yarn. On 27th September 2001 this story appeared
in the press due to Gary Dean and Tim Anson exhuming
a body of Charles Devine Tindall for DNA testing in
Toowoomba, Queensland. We have never heard further
of the results of this exercise. The varying tales
are supposed to be accounts of persons, long dead,
who between eighty and one hundred and twelve years
ago saw, spoke to, worked with, lived next door to
etc. etc. and have been handed down from generation
to generation. As with all good yarns growing with
each re telling.
The story which seems to have been given the most publicity
is the memoirs of the late Donald Hamlbeton Johnson.
These memoirs lay claim to this gentleman being the
grand nephew of Steve Hart. The story also claims that
Steve Hart went by the name Fred Layton and that a
man known as Jack Day was Daniel Kelly. I won't bore
you with the genealogy of the descendants of Fred Layton,
but there is not a shred of primary evidence to link
them to Steve Hart. Jack Day never had issue. However,
in the memoirs of Donald Hamlbeton Johnson there was
made claim to the knowledge of the location of the
burial place. If this body was produced for DNA testing
there are three suitable donors in Victoria myself
and two descendants of Margaret Kelly. To put this
rumour to bed once and for all, I have offered my DNA
cross matching of Mitochondrial DNA samples, and all
the documentation to support my lineage. Mitochondrial
DNA is only passed along the female line. In the past
there has been no interest. I believe this disinterest
is because the rumour is exactly that.
It is not up to me to speak on behalf of the Hart descendants
I know there are several suitable descendants of Steve
Hart's sisters who's DNA could be matched against the
DNA of Fred Layton or his descendants. Unable to be
proven, but worthy of some consideration is my family
oral history. Over the years as this and other stories
have appeared in the press or other publications, naturally
the family have discussed and investigated the possibility
of any truth in these theories and rumours. Both my
Mother and her brother , who lived with Ellen Kelly
from 1917 until her death in 1923 dismissed the story
and were insistent that the Dan Kelly and Steve Hart
fleeing to Queensland Story had no basis for truth.
Their reasons:
• There would have been contact
made with the family. This never occurred. My mother
was sure they would have known.
• Jim was never away from Greta for any length
of time and certainly not long enough to visit Queeensland
as claimed in the memoirs of Donald Hamlbeton Johnson.
So once again to correspond with the
125th anniversary of Glenrowan Cr Tully now poses to
apply for exhumation of the bodies in Greta Cemetery.
It was the firm belief that the facts are as history
records them. Let them rest in peace at Greta with
their kin.
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