Greta Cemetery
From: Matt [mgaynor_6@yahoo.com] 30 Jun 09
Hi, Can anyone provide me with info on the Kellys who are buried at Greta cemetery. I believe that the graves are unmarked, so does anyone have info on the grave sites in the cemetery. The reason why they remain unmarked is to stop certain people from desecrating their graves...

Glenrowan Anniversary
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au] 28 Jun 09
As Joe said to Ned, Dan and Steve on this fateful day in 1880 ... 'Many more years in the bush for the Kelly Gang!' Rest in peace boys.

Harry Power
From: Peter (Stinger) Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 25 Jun 09
Hello again, I am becoming somewhat apprehensive over the apparent discrediting of certain Kelly 'historians' on this forum. My one-man show, 'Harry Power and the Boy Bushranger' draws heavily on material from the book 'Harry Power - Tutor of Ned Kelly' by Gary Dean and Kevin Passey. If this is not a reliable source, I shall start to have reservations about my performing the show before a highly critical audience at Beechworth in August. Comments, svp. Max Brown always told me to research from more than one source, which I am sure you have. The cynic in me would say this is nothing but a shameless plug for your stage show and if it is I recommend it whole-heartedly, because, dear readers, Stinger's show should be the only reason you're going to Beechworth. This is a MUST SEE production!

re. Disgusting Ambassador for Ned
From: Deb Hurst [deborah.hurst@gmail.com] 22 Jun 09
I have to disagree with Mr Denheld. I think Mr Webb has a very solid grasp on the underlying significance of Ned Kelly and what he was all about. Not everyone does, as regular visitors to this site well know. Too few Australians have any depth of knowledge of their history. Therefore, it is refreshing to experience this website, which goes a long way to addressing that issue in regards to the Kelly era. It is so clearly written with someone with a very good sense of what this era was all about, who dedicates a significant length of time & effort into putting it all in one place. I understand if people may feel Mr Webb is somewhat abrasive or overly biased about one thing or another. But I guess we all have to put our big girl or big boy pants on, and just enjoy the site! Seems dear Bill cracked it because of what I wrote in the Soap Box section, but when Ned can't speak for himself then someone has to step up onto the plate...

re. Disgusting Ambassador for Ned
From: Faith [shits1987@hotmail.com] 22 Jun 09
Don't you see this kind of stuff everywhere these days? You no those people that just cant help themselves but make there insults public thinking it benefits there point not realizing that there kind of embarrassing themselves in the process The first question i would like to ask is why this bloke felt the need to speak his mind in the feedback box? ...where clearly quite a fair few people are going to see it and respond to it because most of them visit regularly although at times you don't agree with the response you get I think you just except after time that that's the risk you take lol but in most cases its as simple as you ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer so to speak But what I can't believe is that he has also gone as far as insulting descendants of the family in my opinion it doesn't matter what you think or who's side your on its probably not a good idea to insult those who have a family connection in any situation. I praise those like Paul who take the time to educate the kids of today with the Kelly story as it is just a part of our history and for those kids out there that do enjoy the subject (history).. I started collecting information on the Kelly story when I was 14 years old and at that time and that age I would have loved to have it all explained to me by someone 'in the know' but at the time I didn't know about it and I don't live in Victoria which brings me to Brad I had no other choice but to rely on books and websites – that and to tell my mum I wanted to take a road trip to Victoria at the very first sign of weakness... so finding iron outlaw for me was great it was full of information and other people that were interested in the Kelly story about as much as I was and still am I'm 22 now and still visit this website regularly. I don't think anyone has the right to slam those who take the time to provide information on any part of Australian History when its such an important part of who we are today. I think Brad has done a great job with the website and I don't think its fair to judge him on what he has done just because you don't agree with the way its done doesn't mean its not a good job And I think many people (I hope) will agree next time if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything at all!

re. Disgusting Ambassador for Ned
From: Paul O'Keefe [paul@kellygangeducational.com] 21 Jun 09
Hi Brad, Don't take it to heart. I know this has upset you. If it's any consolation apparently I'm one too. But according to these people I'm also a liar and a bad influence on children! Paul O'Keefe, Hart Descendant. Kelly Gang Educational Services Not nearly as upset as when I invested all my money in Betamax video players...

re. Disgusting Ambassador for Ned
From: Airi [repetti@ozemail.com.au] 20 Jun 09
I think most people who are regular visitors to Ironoutlaw come here because it's the best Kelly website there is, not just because of the content but also because of the way it is presented (clear, easy to read layout). I do understand people have their preferences and differing opinions; this is Brad's website so naturally it reflects his take on things - no one is forced to visit here if they find it so distasteful, right? There are a few other sites around to choose from, I know because I had a good look around before I decided that Ironoutlaw really had everything I was looking for. I appreciate all the work Brad has put in here over the years and I know he can sound a bit intimidating at times with his comments to the feedback, but having met him I can assure you his bark is worse than his bite. ; ) Keep up the good work Brad, I'm sure I speak for a few other people when I say this website (and your sense of humour) is very much appreciated! What continues to amaze me is most of these detractors at one stage or another needed my help to launch them into the wonderful world of cyber Kelly – which is understandable seeing that this site has been around for over fourteen years...

Kelly Gang Posters
From: Mick Maher [michaelmaher6@hotmail.com] 20 Jun 09
Hi all Im looking for any good sized posters of Ned and the Boys to hang in my bar. Any other menmemoribillia would be great too. Anyone got any spares? I'll be happy to pay. If not any recommendations where I can buy said items. Im in Tazzie, hard to get anything down here. Please email me. Cheers!

Disgusting Ambassador for Ned
From: Bill Denheld [bill@denheldid.com] 18 Jun 09
Webmaster Brad Webb has created what could be an impressive directory of most things Kelly, but seems un able to accommodate alternative views of Kelly history. His book reviews are obviously biased in favour of his own publications but most readers will see through his narrow views. Brad is a disgusting ambassador for Ned. His way of denigrating other Kelly researchers shows his immaturity, - but thinks his put downs appeases his target audiences - like descendants of the Kelly gang. With his Mafia like intimidation, see what he has to say about those who seek truth in his soap box. If you disagree with this, why not let him know, or better still, don't go to this website at all. 'un able' is one word (yep, it is actually spelt 'unable')...

Mick Jagger
From: Dwayne [dwayne@visualsounds.com.au] 17 Jun 09
Hi. I am after the Mick Jagger NED KELLY 1970 Sound Track on CD. Where can I get it? Do a Google search...

Poor Noel
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 15 Jun 09
Hey Brad, don't be too harsh on Noel Ashby! He was only trying to get rig of that behemoth, dyke loving, transgender compassionate, soft policing numbskull, Christine Nixon. Noel Ashby should have been made Chief Commissioner in the first place, only it was politically incorrect to appoint a male at the time. His career had been impeccable until he had to work under a far inferior leader. Don't for one second think that I'm sticking up for that moron McDermott. BTW, who is Dr. Robert Haldane? Ashbury would've made a fine Chief Commissioner - in the same vein as Standish...

re. George King
From: Robert Mc Garrigle [doggies.47@hotmail.com] 11 Jun 09
Brad I don't agree with your reccomendation of Justin Corfields Encyclpaedia as a good reference for Ned Kelly History .(Too many errors) .I believe Bailup website is very accurate in summing up Justins book. In regards to Gary Deans book you don't know what is fact or fiction, I agree with you there. I don't remember 'reccomending' Corfield's book. What I said was it was a good source for George King information. And as far as I know George King isn't even mentioned on Bailup.com!

re. George King
From: Sherallee Schubert [qantas737@homail.com.au] 10 Jun 09
According to Gary Dean's book on Ellen Kelly which I purchased from him in Glenrowen back in March this year, George layed low for a time because he knew he was going to get caught for horse steeling. It was reported by Ellen herself that George was helping Ned prepare for Glenrowen by steeling mould boards from ploughs for the armour and was shot by a farmer and he died 2 days later in Benalla hospital. So in theory he never left Ellen. This book tells many interesting facts about the Kelly outbreak and is well worth buying. The book is just called Ellen Kelly. Writen and resurched by Gary Dean. I'd be taking whatever Gary Dean has to say with a very large grain of salt. For a better perspective read up on George King in Justin Corfield's tome 'The Ned Kelly Encyclopaedia'

George King
From: Deborah Hurst [deborah.hurst@gmail.com] 07 Jun 09
I've never read any thoughts as to what happened to George King after he dumped Ellen with three children. Does anyone have any theories?

re. Rally the Sympathisers!
From: Noeleen Lloyd [noeleen lloyd@hotmail.com] 05 Jun 09
Sad to say Alan that there is no sympathiser representation on the panel on Saturday night. Certainly some people were asked and did consider it at length, however, given the change in leadership and program, they have chosen not to be part of this. No guarantee on the structure or format was able to be provided. Noelene Allan has ensured that the past program of events have been well balanced and fair to both sides. That balance was not able to be guaranteed this year. Nor was there a guarantee of being able to stick to the facts - the story itself stands alone and needs no embellishments. Some will say that this decision was not the correct one, however noone wanted to be part of a panel that was not structured and fair. Nor did they want to be involved in any public slanging match or held up to ridicule. It will be a very different weekend this year, there will be a large police display and my understanding is that the very large, very obvious and very modern Police Van will set up shop in the paddocks behind the Court House. I would ask the question as to the appropriateness of all of this - given that many in the police force today see Ned as a cop killer and view the story through very black and white glasses. Could cause a few intersting moments I think.

Some of the past reprsentations have been incorrect - ie parading Ned up and down the street to the beat of a drum and wearing the green sash and then being followed by a mini look alike. I do know that Noelene fought a lop sided battle at times o keep things to the true and correct historical representation. Will this continue? Time will tell. That said - and it is all my own thoughts and words- we will still be attending and supporting the local economy. As you are aware we use it as a chance for family and friends to catch up over dinner, a drink at the Hibernian and the ever popular hot chocolate at the bakery. It is always good to catch up with likeminded individuals and we see many of the same faces each year. We don't see them anywhere else, but they feel like old friends, simply because we see them year after year. There are many who claim to be Kelly fans, fanatics, experts , call them what you will , who do not support this weekend and then cry foul that nothing is done to remember our history. None of these events, Kelly or otherwise, are able to continue without public support - ie cold hard cash. The point of supporting an event such as Beechworth is not to agree on or with everyhting, but to support it so that it can continue to grow (and improve) and without money coming into the town it will notdespite what the program is. You have to attend to be able to make an informed comment and if I do not go again it will because I made a decision based on what I have seen and experienced in person. Regardless of the weaker-than-water line up at this year's Ned Kelly Beechworth Weekend, readers are welcome to join the 'experts' at the Hibernian Hotel for a drink and feed on the Friday night. Everyone is welcome (except that 'ranger' Alex McDermott)...

Ellen Kelly's Family and Ellen Kelly nee Quinn
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 04 Jun 09
G'day Tony, I have some info on Matthew James Brown. I'll contact you direct after I put something together. Geordie, if you'd like to contact me via my e-mail adress with some more info, I'll see if I can help.

Rally the Sympathisers!
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 03 Jun 09
I know I've said this before Mr. Webb, but this time I'm really beside myself. Do you realise it's only 64 sleeps to the next Ned Kelly Weekend in Beechworth? To commemorate such an auspicious occasion I have saved enough coinage to purchase a new felt hat from the Beechworth Emporium to replace my old Steam Boat Billy cap After running my eyes over the programme, I see that with a marked increase in police activity this year, it is of the utmost importance that all true Kelly sympathisers rally and make their presence felt. We should gather in numbers under the Eureka flag at the Hibernian and drink a toast to the name that is Kelly with glutinous amounts of ale and spirit well into the Friday night. I shall ride my fine mare Mirthic furiously through the public bar whilst standing in the saddle on one leg singing out aloud songs of praise to one Edward Kelly and his family. 'Many more years in the bush for the Kelly Gang!' We shall turn the Hibernian into the Glenrowan Inn all over again and dare the traps to open fire and burn it down.

On the Saturday morning we shall gather in numbers at the market place in the police paddock and wait with anticipation for the announcement of the winner of the schools essay competition. From there we shall make our way to the courthouse once more under the colours of the Eureka flag and see what this ex-trap Haldane has to say for himself. We shall defend the name that is Kelly with our last breath. For every piece of misinformation that dribbles from his one sided mouth we shall right that which is wrong. It has also come to my attention that somewhere in the midst of sympathisers could lurk the mysterious figure of one Captain Jack Hoyle (retired),righter of all wrongs and seeker of truth. Depending on Mr Haldane, his presentation could end up making Ned's preliminary hearing look more like a pensioner's Tupperware party. We should then return to the Hibernian or nearest public house to gather ample liquid sustenance for the long walk back with Ned from the Beechworth railway station. After escorting Ned back to the courthouse for his hearing, we should again return to the Hibernian or nearest public house for one last rally before seeking more sustenance at the Poet's BBQ in the police paddocks at 5.30.

From there we shall have one quick drink at the Hibernian or nearest public house and ready ourselves at 7.00 PM for the tag team event of McDermott and Haldane vs Kelly Sympathisers with ABCs Gaye Pattison as referee. How long will it be before the blood of the Lloyds and Harts(minus Mr. O'Keefe) reaches boiling point and McDermott's brought painfully to the canvas by a flying figure four leg lock from Lola Rowe, or even worse, a savage four arm smash delivered to Haldane from Noelene Lloyd. This most apprehensive event is bound to make the sympathisers even more thirsty, and with this in mind there would be no other option but to return swiftly to the Hibernian Hotel for even more celebration and to boogie the night away with some live music from the band Stormcellar.

After a night of merrymaking,Sunday morning, if shrunken brain permits, should be kicked off at 7.00 with a fine breakfast with some prisoners on the run in the police paddocks, and then on to support our sandgroper mate Peter (Stinger) Nettleton at 9.30am in his long awaited Victorian premiere production, Harry Power and the Boy Bushranger. To celebrate Stinger's show we should all then return with Stinger on our shoulders to the Hibernian or nearest public house for more festivity until 2.30pm and then off to the courthouse for a talk about Ned from that fine Australian batsman Bobby Simpson. What a way to wrap up a great weekend,but what I love most about the Kelly Weekend is the chance to meet up with old friends and new who all have just one interest in common.....The life of Edward Kelly. Somehow, without Noelene Allen running the show I feel like it's all going to turn to shite...

Ellen Kelly nee Quinn
From: Geordie Butler [lgbutler@optusnet.com.au] 03 Jun 09
Hi I was told I was related to Ellen Kelly through her Quinn lineage, just wondering if you can direct me to a sites that will help work this out. Dunno any besides this one...

Joe Byrne Photo
From: Calvin Foster [calvin_79@hotmail.com] 03 Jun 09
Hi all. getting back to the discussion over the 'real joe byrne', im curious to hear more peoples opinions. The photo of 'joe' with his well grown moustache has bugged me for years as i could never accept that it was him, it just didnt appear to be the same man that was photographed strapped to the benalla door lockup. Disscussion on this subject seems to have stopped and i would like to hear more peoples opinions. Captain jack hoyle's article 'will the real joe byrne please step forward' on this website was brilliant and started this great disscussion. My opinion after studying the photos is that the photo of 'Paddy' Byrne posed with Tom Straughair in ‘The Fatal Friendship’ is actually a photo of joe byrne, not paddy. The 'Paddy' photo has all the features of 'dead joe'. Same hair, hair line, nose, eyebrows, lips, same shap! ed face and build as 'dead joe', and it was well known that Tom was a close friend of Joe. The supposed photo of joe with the moustache just doesnt look at all to be the same man. He is appears shorter, much thinner, much larger ears and much thinner nose, as Jack Hoyle points out, and i think appears older than supposedly at 20 year old joe. Im interested to hear others opinions, and if any agree with my opinion?

re. Ned's Grave
From: Peter (Stinger) Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 03 Jun 09
Brad, I know this is not a pleasant subject to be picking over, but the Bailup.com article referred to by you is not as up-to-date as other material on your own site. I refer (again) to the 'Age' article of 05/05/09 (see your 'In The Headlines' page) which states that, according to Father Peter Nordern, former Pentridge chaplain, Ned's bones are presently in the safe custody of the Victorian Coroner. Further, ABC Radio National's Annie Hastwell's show on 28/03/09 (featured on your homepage) reveals that the anonymous person who stole Ned's (No.1) skull from the Old Melbourne Gaol in 1978 still has it in his possession, now resides in Victoria and is quite receptive to the idea of it receiving a decent burial along with the rest of Ned's remains. Surely this is a matter of significant pubic interest, not just one of morbid curiousity? If the Victorian Government are not willing to take it on, perhaps it is something else we can put in that petition to Federal Minister Peter ('Skull') Garrett? Sorry to disappoint you but I've met the nut-bag claiming to have Ned's skull. While he does have a stolen skull unfortunately it isn't Mr Kelly's. While some bones 'may' reside at the Victorian Coroner once again these haven't been proven to be Ned's. Until some concrete evidence turns up you may as well spend your time chasing fairies at the bottom of the garden...

re: Ned Kelly Illiterate? Don't think so!
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 30 May 09
Thanks Deborah for bringing attention to this, as the author, Dymphna Lonergan, has also made some other wild assertions in the past. Anyone who followed the link would have seen the heading: Ned’s Irish Accent. Dr. Lonergan goes on with a long, winded document trying to explain how the Irish Language (Gaelic), influenced Ned and his way of speech. She does give some insight as to why the Irish say certain things the way they do with respect to the Gaelic conversion to English. She uses this basis for assuming because Ned said thing in a certain way (in written documents), that he had an Irish accent. It is not till the very last paragraph that she states: “The recent movie Ned Kelly depicted Kelly and his family and friends speaking with Irish accents. This, I believe, is a correct interpreta! tion of the linguistic state of this group in rural Victoria in the late nineteenth century.” Dr. Lonergan fails to mention that in another article in Tain magazine titled: “Ned Kelly - an Australian icon reveals his Irish roots in his own words”, the article starts of with, “While Ned Kelly's Irish heritage shines through in his famous Jerilderie letter, Dr Dymphna Lonergan says she can't offer any definite answer on whether the legendary bushranger spoke with an Irish accent. Further on she states, “Whether actor Heath Ledger was right to play Ned with an Irish accent in the latest film version of the bushranger's life is impossible to say, Dr Lonergan said. She said that the strong evidence of Irish speech patterns in the Jerilderie letter makes it quite likely that Ned Kelly spoke with an Irish accent, although it can never be proved”. Given Dr. Lonergan’s assertions that Ned was illiterate and lived in an isolated Irish community, I hardly think anything she has to say on the subject of the Ned Kelly can be relied upon.

Ellen Kelly's Family
From: Tony brown [tonybrownmusic@hotmail.com] 30 May 09
Hi my name is tony brown and I saw you were interested in ellens family. My great grandparents were tom lloyd and ellen's sister jane quinn. Jane had a daughter named jane lloyd who was my father's mother. She married a Matthew Brown who we've been unable to trace at all. Now I hope that hasn't confused you too much, but there you go. We did'nt find any of this out untill both of my parents passed away.

re. Ned's Grave
From: Sherallee Schubert [qantas737@hotmail.com.au] 29 May 09
Hi Brad, Wouldn't we all like to see the return of Ned's scull but on another Ned Kelly web site I have read that the scull taken from the old Melbourne gaol was not in fact Ned's. Aparently a ferensic study was done on photos of the scull and were super imposed over the prison portrate of Ned taken the day before he was hung. Also Ned's death mask was used to compare with the scull and they aparently did not match at all. The Death mask matched the photo but not the scull.This does raise some interesting questions doesn't it? I presume the website with this information is still up and running because it was a couple of months ago that I was reading about it. Also how do they know which of all the bones in the communal grave at Pentridge actually belong to Ned? Will we ever know? Who will pay for the DNA tests? The government?! Dream on!! Love to have Ned 'put back together' though. But somehow I don't think it will ever happen. Yes, Bailup.com did a great job on the skull report. To read it click here

Alice Kelly
From: Michelle Allen [m_allen@live.com.au] 27 May 09
I am looking for anyone who may have information of the life of Alice Kelly (King). I believe to be my Grandmother's Grandmother and would greatly appreciate any details, especially on any children she may have had with John Dawes. Also, if anybody out there would have a copy of a picture that they would be happy to email me, I would much appreciate it.

I Feel Different
From: Robert C Kelley [robert.kelley@yhn.org.uk] 27 May 09
My grandfarther was born in ireland and was moved over sea then came back as my farther was born in ireland than move as a young lad with his sister to killingworth i have been told for some time that my farther added a E to are name but know will say why my farther has been passed away for some time now i have always felt diferent could you put some light on this? Well there's only two possible explanations. You're either a reincarnation of Ned or plain crazy...

re.Edgar Penzig on Collectors
From: Anthony Smit [aezlove@primusonline.com.au] 25 May 09
Hi Paul and Brad., I steeled myself to watch that clip of that hideous Penzig and I now realise that's 1 Minute 17 of my life that I can never get back. With the face of an exhumed corpse, this ghoul almost gleefully explains about rope marks on a hanged person's neck. He is obviously too lazy to do any research or he would know that Ned Kelly did not write the note to Mrs McCormack but merely delivered it. I have figured out what the letters in his fictional qualiifications stand for I think but I'm willing to hear other people's efforts. Fascist Artifact Ignoring Historical Accuracy Mr Penzig I would be happy to introduce Ned Kelly to my sister but I can't say the same for you. I've added my thoughts on this old git in the Soap Box section.

Edgar Penzig on Collectors
From: Paul O'Keefe [paul@kellygangeducational.com] 24 May 09
Hi Brad, find below a link to a clip of Edgar Penzig the so called "historian" appearing on ABC1 Collectors with his Ned Kelly death mask. Most Kelly aficionados have know that this bloke is a Kelly detractor but after his one minute eleven seconds of fame on Collectors, his "Historian" credibility needs to be questioned. This "Historian" of Bushranging hasn't got a clue when it comes to basic historical facts about the Kelly Story. I was stunned listening to what rubbish came out of his mouth. Don't take my word for it see it for yourself at abc.net.au/tv/collectors. This is the same bloke who wrote that 0 out of 5 rubbish 'Bushrangers Heroes Or Villains'...

Very good site...
From: Ben Gutie [ben_gutie@yahoo.com.au] 23 May 09
This is a very good avenue to say it out loud and free your mind...

re. Ned's Grave
From: Lea Scott [author@leascott.com] 22 May 09
Hear hear I say to Peter (Stinger) Nettleton! Next year marks the 130th year since Ned Kelly's hanging in Old Melbourne Gaol, and subsequently the separation of his head from the rest of his body. I have recently self-published a crime thriller to bring attention to this very act (being the most widely read fiction genre). Albeit fictional, I hope that it will alert readers to the undignified treatment afforded to Ned Kelly. Former prison chaplain, Fr Norden, has recently called for Kelly's remains to be returned to the family for 'a decent burial'. This would finally see Ned's dying wish, and that of his family, granted. Let's not forget that irrelevant of his criminal status, and his elevation to folk hero by our society, Ned Kelly was foremost a human being. The only problem with this is that Ned's remains are incomplete since his skull was stolen from the Old Melbourne Gaol in 1978. You can follow the fate of Ned's remains on my website. I make a bid to all Australians to band together in an attempt to find Ned Kelly's skull. If you have any information about the fate of his skull, please visit my website and encourage your fellow Australians to join me in the search to re-unite Ned Kelly with his head.

Kelly Pics
From: Anthony Smit [aezlove@primusonline.com.au] 20 May 09
I recently stumbled across this website of a Sydney Auction house. It still has it's catalogue online from 2007 when it advertised that so called gun of Kate Kelly's. They claim on this site to have new photos of various people from the Kelly and Hart families including a pregnant Ellen Kelly! The new angle on the one of Kate is definately her but lets get opinions on the others. Has any one ever seen these pics before? Can anyone verify them? I hate scrimshaws...

Ned Kelly Illiterate? Don't think so!
From: Deborah Hurst [deborah.hurst@gmail.com] 20 May 09
Hello, I refer you to the academic study found at this link. The research seems to perpetuate the myth that Ned Kelly was illiterate. He was not. One letter he wrote survives (in Ian Jones' book, written when Ned was 15), and it proves that Ned Kelly was able to write. He seems to have read news reports about him during his time on the run. I think it is historically inaccurate to say Ned Kelly was illiterate and was wondering if you could write to the academic, as an authority figure on Kelly, and inform her of the facts? Ned Kelly could hardly write the Jerilderie letter when he had a couple of revolvers in his hands. Thanks. Everyone should write to this Dymphna Lonergan (yep, it's her name - not a disease) and let her know how far off the mark she is...

Ned's Grave
From: Peter (Stinger) Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 20 May 09
Brad, as you are no doubt aware, I was earlier this year expressing concern about the pace of development at the old Pentridge Prison site and wondering , somewhat niaively as it turns out, about the fate of Ned's grave. Now, it appears from the Age article of 05/05/09 that, according to Father Peter Nordern, former Pentridge chaplain, Ned's bones are presently in the safe custody of the Victorian Coroner. Added to this, ABC Radio National's Annie Hastwell's show on 28/03/09 reveals that the anonymous person who stole Ned's skull from the Old Melbourne Gaol in the 1980s still has it in his or her possession and now resides in Victoria (by the way, I have a photo of that skull in situ which I took circa 1973). I would now like to endorse Father Nordern's call for Ned's entire remains to be finally interred alongside those of Dan, Ellen and others in Greta Cemetery - at the expense of the Crown In Right of Victoria, which has effectively denied him a decent burial since 11/11/1880! Hear, hear!

re. 2009 Ned Kelly Weekend
From: Airi [repetti@ozemail.com.au] 16 May 09
I do appreciate the effort that goes into planning an event like the Kelly Weekend and obviously it's not possible to please everybody but I have to admit I too was disappointed when I first saw the programme for this year. I wonder if and how much the survey carried out after last year's event was taken into account? I will definitely be there in August, I love visiting Beechworth, and while I may not attend everything, I'm certainly looking forward to catching Stinger's take on Harry! Let's hope it's not a case of paying peanuts to get monkeys...

A Great Australian
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 15 May 09
Brad, just got in from working in the yard all day. What a shock to the system. Bud Tingwell wasn't just a great actor, he was a great and well loved Australian. He'll be sadly missed by many people. Wish I'd had the opportunity to have met him like yourself. The first time I saw him on the big screen, I think he was playing the part of a police inspector in an early 1950s Agatha Christie movie. His passing will leave a gaping wound not only in the Australian, but international film industry. God bless ya Bud.

Latoya & Meaghans words...
From: Lola R. [lolars@bigpond.com] 13 May 09
These two young ladies sound like 12 years of age or less, are they 'having a go' at both yourself and the readers? Surely they can read, as they can write by the looks of things BUT ... they do have a problem when they ask about 'Peter Gang'? In these days of SMS ruling the roost it's all LOL, OMG, :), and WTF. We're lucky they can spell at all. As for LOOKING for the Ned Kelly story it's the first link on the left side navigation on the home page (they would've had to have read down the list to find the Feedback link!)...

re. 2009 Ned Kelly Weekend
From: Anthony Smit [aezlove@primusonline.com.au] 13 May 09
Hi Brad, Just read the program for the Beechworth weekend and sadly I dont think I will be attending many of the events this year. I think I will only go to the dinner to catch up with everyone and then I will be doing my own thing for the rest of the weekend. Don't like the sound of the guest speakers this year, it sounds like the anti-Kelly forces have taken over the weekend and all we will hear is police propaganda. I wonder if they will talk about shooting at women and children at Glenrowan? I doubt it.. As for Alex McDermott, I wouldnt pay two bob to listen to any of his vile rantings against the Kelly family. Looking forward to catching up with yourself and our friends in Beechworth, maybe they might need our help this year more than ever to provide a balanced point of view, although I may end up in Beechworth courthouse for real after the weekend if i hear anyone say anything perjorative about the Kelly family. I have heard it all before over and over but I don't feel inclined to pay for the priviledge. Sounds pretty much like my Beechworth weekend itinerary however I do plan to see Peter Nettleton's play and the boxing match if McDermott is the one being beaten around the ring...

Ned Kelly's History
From: Meaghan Moore [aussie.pride95@hotmail.com] 13 May 09
I am doing a report at school about being Australia, and since Ned Kelly had a big part in the history I thought I would do a section on him. so I was wondering what year was it that Ned Kelly was first found to be the one murdering people and robbing banks, and also how old he was?? If you could answer these questions it would be much appresiated. Umm, lets see, ...'being Australia'... Do you mean what's it like to be thousands of kilometres wide, covered in dirt and sand, and having 20 million people eat, sleep and poop on you? As for the 'first found to be the one murdering people and robbing banks' question who knows, probably from the age of 8...

Harry Power and the Boy Bushranger
From: Peter (Stinger) Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 11 May 09
Hi Alan et al, You may be relieved to hear I will NOT be playing fifteen year old Ned. My age is about the same as Harry's when he was captured, so I will be playing him. Although I greatly admire Ian Jones, it is a one-man show. Hecklers will of course be shot!

The History of the Kelly Gang
From: Latoya Laneaux [mstoyalano@hotmail.com] 10 May 09
Can you please help me with this question asap. What famous historical document did Peter Gang copy the writing style of for his novel The History of the Kelly Gang? The book is actually titled ' The True History of the Kelly Gang' and it was written by Peter Carey (not Peter Gang). I'm gathering you are either some sort of undiscovered moron or attempting to cheat at a Trivia Night. Or maybe a bit of both...

re. 2009 Ned Kelly Weekend
From: Michael Beattie [mbeattie@indigoshire.vic.gov.au] 10 May 09
Lola, We were all stunned when Noelene anounced her retirement and we were fortunate to have had Noelene's assistance in preparing not only the running of the weekend but also with the program. So you could say that Noelene's help in planning will be evident. We've had a good teacher and trust we WILL be keeping things on the straight and narrow. I still say McDermott is a prized tool...

re. 2009 Ned Kelly Weekend
From: Lola R. [lolars@bigpond.com] 08 May 09
WELL WELL, for a start dissapointing to see Noelene will not be helping things along to keep everything on the straight (truthful) on the August weekend in Beechworth. She has done a marvellous job over the last few years... I hope all these new faces and names keep on the straight when telling our story. I think we needed someone like yourself with the Indigo Shire to not make this a sensational weekend, but a truthful story warts and all regarding the boys. Sounds like there'll be plenty of 'warts' there with McDermott booked as a speaker...

Bob Simpson?
From: Alan Crichton [cr87285@bigpond.net.au] 07 May 09
G'day Brad, Had a Bo-peep on the Beechworth site today to see if the Kelly Weekend events had been released yet. Don't know if anyone's seen it yet, but they've got this film clip shot in 1908 of Beechworth. Something to do with a teacher's conference. It's like stepping back in time. The main dirt road is bustling with horse and carts, women in crinolines and bowler hats. Not the women, just the men, and the buildings look just like they do today. I was so taken with this brief moment in history that I totally forgot about the Kelly Weekend. Now that I've finally found out what's happening, I was again beside myself. When I saw the name of one of the guest speakers it took me totally by surprise. I've been waiting to meet this bloke for ages. He's not only a fine Australian but has given service to this country for many years. I think it was in 1962 when I first saw him play at the Gabba in one of the Ashes tests. He's one of the finest batsmen I have ever seen play. I'm talking about none other than our own Bob Simpson. I knew he was a great cricketer but I didn't realise he was an expert on Ned Kelly etc. Just goes to show ya. And if that's not enough for ya, our very own fast bowler from the 80s, Craig (Billy the Kid) McDermott's also going to be there. Again, I didn't know McDermott knew anything about Ned Kelly either. I tell ya Brad, this is going to be a hell of a weekend. I just can't wait to see Stinger playing young Ned in his play Harry Power and the Boy Bushranger. Good onya Stinger mate, I'll be there. Will Ian Jones be playing Harry?? We'll have to wait and see. I think I'll give the Nicholas a miss this year. The last time I danced to Celtic music I was in traction for a week. The Hibernian on the Saturday night seems more to my liking...Funky blues and Boogie. Might even show off some of my new disco moves after a few shandies, and the Poets BBQ and Behind the Armour is a definite must go. There's been a lot of changes to the Kelly Weekend by the new organising committee this year. Will it be a change for the better, who knows? The only way we'll find out is.... BY BEING THERE. Simpson shafted Deano just because he didn't like him bagging his daughter. As for McDermott he's a prized tool. He's welcome to come over to the Hiberian where we'll flog him off as Danny Bonaduce so he can make a few sheckles on the weekend...

2009 Ned Kelly Weekend
From: Michael Beattie [mbeattie@indigoshire.com.au] 07 May 09
G'day Brad, I'm writing to anounce the launch of the 2009 NKW program guide. It is available at www.beechworthonline.com.au The Beechworth Re-Enactment Group are looking forward to an excelent couple of days. Michael Beattie (Nearly Ned) Who's Bob Simpson?

re: Soap Box, ‘Tully Tubby Strikes Again’
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 05 May 09
Brad, in the words of that Champion of Aussiness, Pauline Hanson, "Please explain"! I failed to understand your comments at the end of my post, although you were most probably having a dig at me. Maybe it was the cryptic verse, or grammatical error that confused me, so please spell it out. Don't worry; I have a hide like a rhinoceros, so I won't be any more insulted than I have been in the past. LOL. What I'm saying is that when you don't want to name the source as yourself you say things like 'some researchers', ' a close source', ' a friend of'. Magazines like 'New Idea' use it all the time and, in this case, so did Bill in that article..

Ned Kellies relatives turned to the lega profession
From: John Vance [aidplus@bigpond.com] 02 May 09
Is it true that some of Kellies ofpring turned to the law, and if so where are they now? Kellies?

Soap Box, ‘Tully Tubby Strikes Again’
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 01 May 09
The prelude to this section states: “So the Soap Box was created to shout down the ignorant and misinformed and give Ironoutlaw.com a chance to have our say,”. Maybe the author of this little piece, Penny Brand, should have digested that before denigrating Bill Denheld. I do not recall Bill stating Ned was adopted! He said some researchers believe he may have been. Being a thorough researcher, as Bill has shown he is, one must keep an open mind on all things. You cannot discount something that has not been meticulously checked out, no matter how far fetched it may seem. Some researches... a close family friend... a source... see the similarity?

re: I spoke about this before: Ned Kelly's voice
From: Paul O'Keefe [paul@kellygangeducational.com] 29 Apr 09
Brad, I totally agree with Mick's feedback and Bruce Moore's story about Ned's voice, and Ned having an Australian accent. Many sympathisers and relatives involved with the gang had exactly the same heritage as Ned (first generation Australians born from Irish settlers) Some of these people lived way into the 1950's . Remember Ned's brother Jim only died back in December 1946. There are many family members alive TODAY who still remember Jim and many many others involved with the gang , and they spoke with a broad Australian accent but some words did have a hint of an Irish twang to them. Not the other way around. Paul O'Keefe Hart Descendant

Beechworth and beyond
From: Noelene Allen [noelene.eric@iinet.net.au] 28 Apr 09
Hi to all those friends that I have made over the past 8 years of working for Indigo Shire Council and visitors to Beechworth Ned Kelly Weekend. Well as of 5 o'clock this afternoon I am officially a retired lady. So thanks to all those people who have supported me over the years of being the organiser for Beechworth Ned Kelly Weekend. The programme for this year is being released next week. I will naturally keep my interest in the Kelly women and my links with my friends and I am looking forward to more Ellen research and the book is on the way. Again, thanks and I hope to see you all around and about Regards, Noelene Goodluck Noelene, hopefully the Beechworth weekend won't turn to shite without you there...

Others may have been wrongly hanged: Brumby
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 18 Apr 09
Others may have been wrongly hanged: Brumby. Under “IN THE HEADLINES:” Inronoutlaw Homepage. The story of Colin Campbell Ross, is another tragic example of police and the judiciaries willingnes to convict an innocent man, rather than none at all. It was also the first murder tial in Australia, where a conviction for murder was based on ‘forensic evidence’. The book, “Gun Alley: Murder, Lies and Failure of Justice”, by Kevin Morgan, is a fascinating read for those who can get hold of the book. Kevin Morgan, was haunted by a picture he saw of a young girl and it haunted him, like she was calling out to him. On further investigation, he found out that she had been horrifically murdered and thus discovered the truth behind two tragedies, that of the murder of 12 year of Alma Tirtschke and the conviction and hagging of an innocent man. The book shows how two of Victoria’s most experienced policemen, would stop at nothing to get this murder solved. They both went on to become to of the most experienced and respected (amongst some), in the Victorian Police Force.! In light of present police corruption, it seems little has changed in Victoria with regards to justice since first settlement.

re: I spoke about this before: Ned Kelly's voice
From: Faith [shits1987@hotmail.com] 18 Apr 09
Lets throw in an argument is it fair to say that as far as the movies go to show Ned or any of the others for that matter with an Irish accent that they are making more of a point then trying to show actual fact I refer to (Heath ledgers movie) it would be hard for the viewers to realize that they were Irish if they were to speak with an Australian accent until it is brought up in the middle of the movie so maybe it is just easier to show them with an Irish accent then trying a more complicated way of proving there Irish ? I think if your going to try and prove that Ned or any of the others that don’t seem to be considered much in this argument did have an Irish accent I would like to hear your argument with full blown facts. As far as him or them can I just add lets consider in the argument there was 3 others that’s where the “gang” part comes into play The possibility that they had “the new accent” would have to be much more likely when you consider the change had come 50 years or more before any of them were born in Australia so could you argue that once grown up they most likely would have had this accent since it is well known that they weren’t always in there home towns but in NSW and other places in Victoria so since the accent started in NSW one would think if you were someone who grew up there you would have the accent and consider that Ned and the others would have had contact with these people on a continuing basis? Then you could also consider the fact that his step-father was American For those who are hell bent on believing that they would have had an Irish accent it seems to be that evidence is against you. This argument seems like it will never end as I remember reading about when I first found this site I was 15 now I’m 22 and I wonder how much more people are going to disagree about it. in a way not to offend anybody but sometimes I have to laugh at those who consider the way Ned and the others would have spoke before they consider what they said.

re: I spoke about this before: Ned Kelly's voice
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 15 Apr 09
Faith, you Little Beauty! The article you quoted, theaustralian.news.com.au, by Bruce Moore the director of the Australian National Dictionary Centre at the Australian National University is a gem. I had been in contact with Bruce Moore and quoted him on one of my posts. Sadly this and several other posts relating to ‘Early Australian Accent’, were never added to the Great Debate section, “Ned Kelly – Irish or Australian Accent”. Bruce Moore confirms what most experts in the development of Aussie English have been saying all along. This was never doubted, till the Mick Jagger movie, where he couldn’t do an Aussie accent, so a very poor Irish one was substituted. Over the years, I have been ridiculed and subjected to many detractors, some naïve, some ill informed and some downright ignorant and none backed by any credible evidence, only hearsay and guesswork. The historical evidence abounds, in contemporary writing describing how you could distinguish those born here by the way they spoke, often described as a ‘purer’ form of English, with no distinct alignment with any of the myriad of accents and dialects that abounded at the time. This did not only happen here, it occurred everywhere the English settled in large numbers and is also well documented. New Zealand, South Africa, Canada and the USA all developed their own versions of the English language, with all having different influences on the development, whereby making them all distinguishable from one another. I’d like to thank those who have been of support and directed me to information and language experts, supporting this subject. Contrary to what some have alluded to, this subject is not just about Ned Kelly. It concerns all films and television depicting our early days, no matter what the topic. Because of this mass misinformation, most people think that all our early settlers were Irish and all police were English, Australians don’t even get a mention. No other country in the world, would deny their early pioneers the identity they deserve, so why is it done in this Country? I urge all readers of this website, to read the article theaustralian.news.com.au and fully digest it. The last line of Bruce Moore’s story reads;- There is no doubt that it was with an Australian accent that Kelly uttered his final words on November 11, 1880: "Such is life."

Ned Kelly
From: Rachel [rachelreid@live.com.au] 14 Apr 09
What makes Ned Kelly an icon no only to Australians, but to foriegners? and what facts can prove this? Anyone want to do a school assignment?

Desendant of Ned
From: Patrick Hughes [patrickhughes777@hotmail.com] 11 Apr 09
Ive been looking all over the internet and can't seen to find any other living desendant of ned. Im his 1st cousin 4 times removed (did my family history a few years ago) his father is my great great granduncle. ive a large family were i live in tipperary but im looking for anyone from australia who are desendants to him? ya im fairly upsessed with him! one thing i cant seem to understand the judge that sentenced ned to death was irish to? and im sure there wasnt much irish around those parts then and he hated them so much! oh wel he got what was coming to him. ive heard of a musuem about ned kelly anyone know were i can find it i'll probably be going back to australia next year ive always wanted to see the belongings of ned. PS its good to see such a legend like ned to be so wel regarded by everyone theres just so much! website about him its great. You're not looking hard enough...

Ned's Brother
From: Carl Bird [gf.gf@hotmail.com.au] 08 Apr 09
just wanted 2 know if ned kellys brother was a callahan Huh?

Looking for a Ned Kelly Tattoo design
From: Mike [thylascene@optusnet.com.au] 07 Apr 09
Hi, I have been wanting to get a Ned Kelly tattoo for a while now and am looking for a design and have been having trouble. I have seen alot that have Ned as a mutant or a skeleton or the like but I am after one that is a bit more realistic. I am thinking something that involves the armour. Can anyone that has any designs or pictures/drawings that may be suitable please email them to me at: thylascene@optusnet.com.au Thanks heaps!

Ned Film
From: Steve McDonell [steve-abbey@hotmail.com] 06 Apr 09
Hi! i've written a short film script about Ned. I was wondering if I can post it on the site anywhere? It's 6 pages long and is iin PDF form. Thank you. Yep, send it through...

Ellen Kelly book
From: Sherallee Schubert [qantas737@hotmail.com.au] 05 Apr 09
I have just been on a lovely trip to Victoria and saw lots of Ned Kelly sites. These included the Kelly house at Beveridge, the museum at Benalla, the boot makers shop and court house, Joes grave and other graves to do with Ned Kelly. Then Glenrowen, stringybark creek and the police graves at Mansfield. But my highlight was meeting Gary Dean at Glenrowen at the Cob and Co shop. He helped put together a book entitled 'Ellen Kelly'. I bought this book from him and read it and it has things in it I never knew. It tells what happened to George King. But I cant tell you that, you will have to buy a copy yourself! It rips your heart out when she explains the day before and the day of Neds exucution. If anyone reads this book and doesnt have tears in your eyes at some parts you are not a true Kelly fan! Worth a read.

Alan Crichton
From: Noelene Allen [noelene.eric@iinet.net.au] 03 Apr 09
Hi Alan and Ros, You haven't given much indication of where in Kelly Country your are moving to - hope it's close to Beechworth! I have had your book Far Beyond the Falls on my coffee table since Xmas and finally got to read it. Wow! it was great. You made me laugh, cry and enjoy a great read. So realistic and I was sorry when I finished it - all in a few hours, couldn't put it down. Brian McDonald's foreward is so right - you have woven history into a great read. Beechworth Ned Kelly Weekend 2009 programme is almost ready for release - just one or two more "tweakings" and I will send it off to everyone. Again, thanks for such a great read and I will send the order off for the Beechworth Courthouse supply of the book as soon as I am back in the office.

I spoke about this before: Ned Kelly's voice
From: Faith Eden [shits1987@hotmail.com] 02 Apr 09
In October last year i e-mailed you about something i found in a news paper called "Ned Kellys voice the power of speech all ours" the article touches on a very debatable subject so after seeing that people actually wanted to read about it i figured since i don't have a scanner i would try looking for it on the net so here's the web search which i am hoping will work since its taken so long for me to find it theaustralian.news.com.au after all isn't that what copy and paste is all about as i said when i first mentioned it its a interesting article but doesn't really focus on Ned that much at all but anyone interested have a read!

My Inspiration
From: Therese Rogers [therese24464@hotmail.com] 01 Apr 09
Hi my name is Therese and i find Ned kelly to be one of the most fascinating men that i have ever read about in history. Not only his life story and how he was treated by the police but also this man whos features were perfect. I have been studying his life and face ,build for many months. Iam an Artist and currently painting large portrates of Neds face before they hung him . Recently I was at the jail in melbourne and on walking into the prison I could see to my left that there was a dark figure walking behind me. [for some reason i have often seen spirits in my life ] I dont know if this was ned himself but it did give me a feeling of being welcome to visit. I found it to be quite interesting when looking at his death mask that I noticed it [and all the other death masks ] are not how one would lo! ok if just been hung. After Ned and the other prisoners were hung before the mask was taken of their faces the doctor would push their eyes back and tidy up their features. That is why all the death masks look very much the same . Shame on the Goverment for destroying the cemetary and the womens prison lost history indeed..

Ned and the Boys
From: Jennifer Dalton-Thom [jdaltonthom@yahoo.com.au] 31 Mar 09
As a descendant of Mounted Constable HUGH THOM who was stationed at Greta prior to the debacle caused by FITZPATRICK , I would like to say that Ned and the boys were no better or no worse than most of the young fellows that were given free reign in North-Eastern VIctoria at the time, many of whom were light fingered in the acquisition of horses and cattle. Certainly things escalated to an unacceptable level and I certainly don't condone murder, however considering that the police were told to "shoot on sight", what was Ned supposed to do at Stringybark Creek, just give up? History shows us that whoever challenges the powers that be must be prepared for the ocnsequences. We have many incidences of this in our history - Castle Hill and the Eureka Stockade come especially to mind, however if you take the time to read McQuilton's treaty on social bandidry and John Molony's wonderful book - "I am Ned Kelly", those hardliners unsympathetic to Ned's plight might see him from a different perspective.

Ned, Joe and Dunny Rolls
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 29 Mar 09
Brad, despite your almost kinky fascination for GI Joe and dunny rolls, if you're not the new John Laws of Radio National i'll push a peanut down Queen Street ... What a cracker of a show on ABC Radio National yesterday about last years Kelly Weekend. And what about the interview with those three fiesty country girls, Noeleen, Lola and Judith. Crikey i thought at one stage it was gunna turn into a full on cat fight. Lucky for the interviewer they're all good mates. We got spooks in the old courthouse, Jerilderie booty buried in the hills around Chiltern, Ian Jones' daughter taking up her father's quest for the whereabouts of the Kelly holy grail, the declaration for independence of North East Victoria, and to top it off a word from that very questionable and self righteous samaritan, Tom Baxter, who denied ev! er knocking off Ned's skull thirty years ago from the Old Melbourne Gaol but contradicted himself on more than one occasion. When you pack all that and more into about forty minutes of radio it made for damn good listening. Good for you ABC Radio National. I can't wait to see what the new committee has in store for us this August in Beechworth. PS The great photo of Ned in the dock and the group photo of the re-enactment group on the ABC site have my name as the photographer, but in fact were taken by someone who actually knew what they were doing. Dunny rolls? 360 did a great job on the Beechworth story but who the hell is Andrew Gilmore? Sounds to me he's a bitter, poorly educated old geezer. And we won't mention that mentally challenged dirt farmer Tom Baxter now, will we? As for 'dunny roll Ned', believe me I've chased a number of toy makers in a bid to get my Ned into production. And for those of you who missed the program you can download the podcast on the 360 web site.

Remembered Poem
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au] 28 Mar 09
What a beautiful poem Mollie Schollum wrote about Joe's grave, it's wonderful. I too like to think that someone especially planted the tree there for Joe, so a part of the Woolshed could be near him.I took some seeds from Joe's tree and planted them a few years ago & four trees came up, which are now four lovely, good sized trees. It is really great to have them in the garden. :) Just regarding Mollie Schollum's hope that sometime over the years men from Joe's faith gave him the words that he was denied, I can tell of at least one time it happened .It was during the re dedication of Joe's grave on the 29th June 1996. A Catholic priest was there & he read from the bible & blessed Joe's grave, which was very lovely. :) P.S. Thank you to Iron Outlaw for the notice about the ABC radio program re: the 2008 Ned Kelly weekend, it was really great to listen to.

Trial of Ned Kelly (1977) DVD and 'The last outlaw' mini series DVD
From: Jamie Helm [jamiehelm@hotmail.com] 26 Mar 09
Hi, I have a friend who really wants to get his hands on the original film "Trial of Ned Kelly" from 1977 staring John Waters as well as DVD's of the 1980 mini series. I have tried looking everywhere for them (e.g .amazon, craigslist, gumtree) but I dont know where I cant find them anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction? I have looked on the ironoutlaw.com web site shop and cannot see them! Thanks in advance. I'm guessing you haven't tried EzyDVD yet?

Interwebs
From: Laura [laurabasu@hotmail.com] 25 Mar 09
Hello, I''m writing my PhD about the media memory of Ned Kelly. On Friday I'm giving a conference paper about 'Ned Kelly and online memory communities', so I thought I'd see how this feedback thing works! Thanks for this website by the way, I couldn't have managed these past three years without you! Maybe you could send us a version of your paper so we can publish it on the site.

Books!
From: Faith [shits1987@hotmail.com] 23 Mar 09
Hey i have found a book called "the girl who helped Ned Kelly " just wondering what you no about this book and is it worth buying? According to Brian McDonald in his excellent reference book 'What They Said About Ned!' it is...

Ned's Grave
From: Peter (Stinger) Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 19 Mar 09
At the risk of displaying my ignorance, I have had cause recently to research the location of Ned's grave. While I believe his body (sans head) was originally buried in the unhallowed grounds of the Old Melbourne Gaol (not 'goal' as Steve Hawker would have it), I understand it was subsequently moved to the cemetery at HM Prison Pentridge. Its exact location should therefore be relatively easy to ascertain. Given that the location is currently being redeveloped as a shopping mall, might we expect that somewhere therein a small plaque might commemorate the final resting place of such a cultural icon? Maybe there could even be an ATM dedicated to his memory?

Why is Ned Kelly such a controversial figure in Australian History?
From: Iced coke [iceteacoke@hotmail.com.au] 17 Mar 09
Why is Ned Kelly being remebered? Why does he have so much impact on our present society? Why is Ned Kelly such a big topic, what is that everyone feels I just want to Know everyone's opinion : ) From my side I think that Ned is originally a good person, its just the Law of that time kind of manipulated him to be a murder. P.S. This is a really good site I really like it!! I learned heaps more about Ned Kelly and how people presented him. Thanx for making this wonderful site. Sounds like the topic of a school assignment to me. Arr, those inventive teacher types, they never cease to amaze me!

Pentridge Gaol
From: Sherallee Schubert [qantas737@hotmail.com.au] 16 Mar 09
I just visited Melbourne last weekend and went to have a look at Pentridge gaol where poor Ned served his sentance for recieving a stolen horse. I am sad to see this well known building gradually being dismantled to make for a housing estate. Even the Pentridge prison name on the enterance has disapeared since my last visit there 8 months ago. Does anyone know what is happening with the site, will it be totally knocked down? Also there are always several security cars parked out the front, does anyone know what they are doing there? It's nothing compared to what they have planned for the Beechworth Gaol...

Ned's Letter
From: Steve Hawker [steven_hawker@yahoo.com] 07 Mar 09
Hi, I have come across a letter that was written for Ned Kelly while he was in goal. In the letter he asks to se his sister and his mother. I was told that this letter is the real deal and i have a color photo copy of it. I have seen the real letter and it seems authentic. is this letter kept any where or i have found the orginal? Any help would be great!

Ex-Con
From: Ned Kelley [nedkelley1152@gmail.com] 23 Feb 09
People often ask if I am related to Ned Kelly or I get teased about Ned Kelly. Although I have never robbed a train or stage coach I have been in prison 6 times, twice in California, twice in Oregon & twice in Washington, in that order. I have been out since 2002 and finally found a job at an auto body shop here in Oregon. That I know of there is no other Ned Kelley or Ned Kelly in existence. With the three strikes rule in place I wouldn't go visiting California, Oregon or Washington again...

Victorian bush fires
From: Steven Cosgrove [sfacchet@bigpond.net.au] 11 Feb 09
Hi Brad I am sure that you won't mind me using this forum to pass on my sincere condolences to all those affected by the terrible bush fires. Human tragedy is terrible in any part of the world but when it happens on our own door step it really hits home how precious life is. I encourage everyone to band together and help out in any way possible so those affected know that the true aussie spirit of mateship is very much alive at this time of need.

re. Steve Hart family connection?
From: Mick Maher [michaelmaher6@hotmail.com] 10 Feb 09
Just to say thanks to Lola and Noleen for your help in my research. Cheers.

re. Steve Hart family connection?
From: Mick Maher [michaelmaher6@hotmail.com] 09 Feb 09
Hi Brad As per my letter on 1st Feb 09, I have discovered that Richard Hart and Bridget Young ( Steve Harts Parents ) were married on the 7th November 1852 in Yass, NSW. *Info from NSW Birth , Death and Marriages Registers. I also found this info on a web site www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm. It states Richard and Bridget were married in Gundagai, and that Bridget was an orphan, her parents Michael and Ellen were both dead. Bridget arrived in Sydney with her sister Mary on the 3rd February 1850 on the ship Thomas Arbuthnot. Intresting is that it also states that Richard and Bridget had 2 children as of 1853. These 2 children dont appear on any Kelly Gang sites? The first child stated is Julia born in 1855. Did the other 2 children perhaps die young, or were just not registered. I also found a birth in 1852 of a William Hart, whose parents were recorded as Richard Hart and Bridget ( NSW Birth Death and Marriage Registers ) The William Hart I am researching was born the same year, and he was married in Yass. If there are any realtives of Steve Hart who have info on this matter, please let me know.

We must STOP the destructive DSE works at Stringbark Creek Reserve NOW!
From: Bruce Johnson [kellycountry2000@hotmail.com] 07 Feb 09
To All That has an interest in preserving the Stringy Bark Creek Reserve, in its natural state. WE must stop any further DSE destructive work NOW! What the DSE is doing there is nothing more than the rape of a significant national site of historical importance. The destructive current works at the Stingy Bark Creek Police reserve and the site of the 1878 police camp where two police officers were killed must be stopped and the site left in its natural state. For some stupid reason the original dirt track leading from the reserve to the Kelly tree has being bypassed and a new track bulldozed through the natural bush and covered with crushed rock, this new track was totally unnecessary and is a disgrace and should be removed. It appears from the current track clearing with a Bobcat, and survey pegs, that the crushed rock track may continue all the way to the site of the Police camp, were it appears from the trees cut down and from the rock materials left there that some totally unacceptable structure will be built on the area where the two policemen were killed, already construction has started on a large stone structure in the middle of the Police reserve and should be removed. I am currently drafting letters to the Police Commissioner, The Victorian Premier, The National Trust, The Royal Historical Society, and the DSE who are doing the work and DSE need to be shamed into stopping this historical site destruction. I urge all people who want to see the works stopped on the reserve and what works that have taken place so far removed, also write to the above interested parties. It already appears from some feedback from DSE, that they consider anybody interested in preserving the site in its natural state are “insignificant”, we need to band together and show them we mean business.

re. Steve Hart family connection?
From: Lola Rowe (Nee Lloyd) [lolars@bigpond.com] 07 Feb 09
Mick, having a fairly extensive family tree on the Harts, I find there are two William HARTS, closely related to our Steve H... .Born in 1852 in Yass NSW. , my records show died as an enfant. Mother Bridget or Bedelia, and Father Richard...Brother of Steve Hart. 2nd. William is the Son of Sarah Bowden and Young Richard Hart, this man was born in 1890, which makes him too old as you said your William got married in 1880. Hope this is of help. My Grandmother was Rachel Hart, Steve's Sister.

A treasure trove
From: N Francis Doyle [mrdoyle@gmail.com] 05 Feb 09
Hi, As a boy, Ned was a hero of mine. As a man, he has developed into something of a curiosity. I've just re-read Peter Carey's excellent True History of the Kelly Gang (which as a work of fiction novel is near flawless) and Ned's ghost has resurfaced. I'm just weriting to say there could not be a better online resource to sate (and pique once more) the adult curiosity of this enigmatic figure. Thank you for an excellent resource. Unlike the numerous wanna-be and me-too Kelly web sites which come and go, Ironoutlaw.com will be around for a long time to come...

Ned
From: Dave [davo181@gmail.com] 01 Feb 09
Iis it just me or does someone else see something; Ned was hanged on 11 November (armisitice day) Kate's son was killed on the front on the 15 April-- The same day Fitzpatrick dreamed a story thus causing Ned and the boys to go bush-- Ned was taked into custody on the 28 June-- the same date Frans Ferdinand was killed, sparking WW1 and the same date the treaty of Treaty of Versailles was signed.......... is it just me ??? Sounds like a case of 'coinkydince'

re. Who is this Seeker of Truth?
From: Lola R. [lolars@bigpond.com] 01 Feb 09
Well Brad & Alan, as I have said before not too sure if I like these nom de plume... Gentlemen or Ladies, BUT, there seems to be a bit of back lashing when one of these well known FACTS or FICTION ARE QUERIED.... I can understand a relative new comer would like to be cautious when passing a comment. Lets hope he can come up with something interesting once again..

Steve Hart family connection?
From: Mick Maher [michaelmaher6@hotmail.com] 01 Feb 09
Hi Brad My wifes Great Grandfather ( William S Hart ) apparently told the story that he was born in New York, and jumped ship in Cairns Queensland. We can find no birth records for him in New York, as stated on his marriage certificate 16th Feb 1880 in Sydney NSW. His grandaughter ( still alive ) says that William always said he was connected to the Harts in Victoria, from the Kelly Gang, though i cant find a William Hart. He died in 1948 in Sydney and is buried in Rookwood Cemetery. His death certificates states his Father as unknown, and his Mothers maiden name as Kelly? I have photos of William in 1924 and just before he died in 1948. Also a copy of his death certificate if you wish to see them.

Who is this Seeker of Truth?
From: Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 30 Jan 09
G'day Brad, Just loved that piece on Joe Byrne by Captain Jack but.....

Who is this Seeker of Truth….This Larrikin of Literature….
This Captain Jack Hoyle…(retired)?
Like an apparition he materialised from the shadows and onto the pages of Ironoutlaw wielding quill like razor sharp sabre.
He has entered the gladiatorial public arena and dared to enlighten his mind at the sacred fireplaces of the Wombat King before the wrath of wilderness had him riding furiously out of way unscathed.
Who is this Jack Hoyle….Captain (retired)? We have exchanged many semaphores but still this man of mystery lurks unseen
I have spied in mind’s eye as he prances recklessly from rowdy dockside saloons, hat pulled low and set to side, cigar clenched tight betwixt teeth as toxic smoke curls slowly into damp and misty eve.
To candle lit cabin he retreats amidst ample stocks of fusty 19th century papyrus; His keen and darting eyes missing not word or clue.
I t seems he has sailed his life the seven seas, and basked in the great Sea of Knowledge, tirelessly seeking out truth and redemption for those who have been sorely wronged.
So keep it coming Jack. Sharpen that feathered sabre and plunge tip to black sea.
Seek ever deep into the pants of this would be Richard Hart and grasp with both hands all that is truth.
You are a breath of fresh sea air sailing ‘cross the land that is Kelly.
I have strong feeling we will hear from you before too many bells have sounded my good Captain.

Kelly Hut
From: Sherallee Schubert [qantas737@hotmail.com.au] 29 Jan 09
Hi again, I enquired last year if anyone knew if the chimney of the kelly hut at Greta was of the old hut or the hut Ned built. I have since reserched and discovered that the chimney still standing is made of stone (obviously) and that it replaced the first wooden chimney that Ned built when he built the hut. So, this naturally means that the site is that of the 'new' hut not the old hut that the kellys first lived in. SO...this IS the site of the Fitzpatrick affair. It also gives me chills down my spine to think that Annie and her baby are burried somewhere near the site as well. Yet it almost feels like no one cares anymore. Yep there is that broken record again, I wish someone could do something about preserving the Kelly sites! Hope you are still resting in piece dear Annie. PS. Thanks Brad for my book Blood in the Dust! Very interesting book.

Location of Stringybark police camp
From: Glenn Standing [gstandin@bigpond.net.au] 22 Jan 09
Hello Brad, I have been investigating shooting of Constable Lonigan this has opened up a can of worms for me. Where he was positioned when shot. Mc Intyres position. The direction the Kelly's approached the camp. Etc. One thing seems to lead into another. This in turn has led me into many hours studying, trying to figure out the whole scenario. I am concerned about the doubt of the location of the camp. I am afraid I currently must disagree with Ian Jones's analogy. The key factor to the Stringybark police camp is the position of the fire. Looking at the photos of the site. It has always been assumed: The fire was in the position facing the camera. Lonigan was shot near the log to the left of the photo. The figures were on the correct side indicating direction the returning policemen came. (From the North West.)

Because of these things Mc Intyres sketch made no sense. By following McIntyres descriptions & directions we can quite easily draw the layout of the area. Showing the position and direction the tent facing. East towards the creek. Roughly 25yrds from the fire. There was a log on the left of the tent running nearly East /West. Nearly 4ft in diameter at the thickest part. (The log on the left of the picture) It was joined near the mid section by another log running due North South. Terminating at first log We then mark the positions of the fire, McIntyre & Lonigan (On the other side of the log approx 12 feet from Mc Intyre.) To the right of the tent there was good cover to within 20yrds of the tent and this was the direction they came. From the South. Looking at the photo this would mean that they came from the right side. Constable Mc Intyre was camped in the area for nearly one & a half days. Plenty of time to study the area. Surely his description can be relied upon. By looking closely at the photos and using Constable Mc Intyres sketch it now makes perfect sense. Looking closely at the photo.There had been more than one fire lit near the logs at different times.

One fire where the logs join in the center (notice the burnt overhanging limb slightly above the this spot on the other side) Another fire to the right slightly further along the log. Another slightly to the right of the stump on the other side of the log near the tree in the center. There is a burnt part of a limb on the other side of the log. This may well be the position of the fire shown in the sketch. Now the rest makes sense. (The tent would be roughly in the position of the photographer) Other points of interest. I notice what looks like a cape hanging from the large tree on the far right in the area that Scanlon was found. There is one cape hanging from the tree another hanging from the sapling to the left. The log to the left of this tree is at a different angle to log No.1. It appears to run behind the tree in the center (Fire position) then in front of the large tree on the far left. I would think that this would be the log that Constable Lonigan was heading towards. The log in far the right of the photo. Running away from the approaching men. To the left and slightly behind Mc Intyre.

If I am wrong and the Kelly's came from the opposite direction (from the left in the photo) Constable Mc Intyre would be positioned near the right hand side of the tree in the center. Constable Lonigan would be on the near side of the log on the left. That would mean that Constable McIntyre would be partly hidden from view and Constable Lonigan would also be partly obscured behind the log when the Kelly's advanced. In addition the front of the tent may well not have been in clear view. Why would Constable Lonigan run further alongside the log? Wouldn't he drop down behind the log. It is certainly large enough. Look again at the sketch it clearly shows the men advancing towards the end of a log. Not towards the side of a log. The figures in the photos supposedly represent the positions of Ned Kelly and Constable Mc Intyre. They may have made the same assumption we all seem to have made regarding the position of the fire.

Most times when camping the tent faces the fire. Mc Intyre said that they built after the fire to guide the returning police. It would make sense that the fire would be on the side they expected them to return. Along the creek. If the fire was on the side shown it would not be easily seen because it would be behind the log. The position supposedly of that taken up by Ned Kelly at the time the police returned shown in the photo must be wrong. Ned Kelly stated his knees were very nearly burnt by the fire. He would have no reason the lie about that. I very much doubt Constable Mc Intyre returned to the scene. He must have been totally traumatised after what happened & being threatened to be killed if he did not leave the police force.. The Kelly's were still at large. Therefore the accuracy of the positions of the figures shown must be questioned. Who knows perhaps the photographer ask them to pose. In any case which ever way you look at it the positions shown in the photos are wrong The site of the camp would therefore be on the same side as the existing Kelly tree marker. Perhaps a little further up the creek but more or less where it should be. That still leaves me with how Constable Lonigan was shot. Most certainly not with a single ball. But that's another story. In-ter-est-ing...

Steve Hart
From: Christopher [carpetburn@austarnet.com.au] 22 Jan 09
I have had an ongoing debate with my uncle for over 20 years. It is hard for me to bring this to your attention as I believe it will influence too many. The problem we have is the belief /fact that poison was in the pocket of Joe ..therefore were Steve and Dan shot. Sorry to those close We see no better forum in order to solve this. We are descended from Euroa and district and wish to not offend. The problem is that our Grand and Great grand parents could not agree either. Paul has been to our area but could not shed any light on this. Can anyone help with this? I think you may be overestimating the importance of this 'debate'

re. Here we go again
From: Stinger Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 21 Jan 09
It certainly looks like a nasty swelling. Maybe he had a hernia and improvised a truss out of redgum bark?

re. Here we go again
From: Lola R.( nee Lloyd/Hart) [lolars@bigpond.com.au] 19 Jan 09
Yes. I go along with you Paul, it looks nothing like, Father Richard Hart, or his Son Richard Hart, I hope the people who are interested in this photo, of supposedly John & Richard Hart... will take the time to authenticate the photo.

re. Here we go again
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au] 19 Jan 09
lol, I like Paul O'Keefe's comment regarding the 'revolver' in the man's pocket in the photo said to be of Richard Hart. :D Paul,I just wondered if you might possibly be able to please post a photo of Richard Hart & also one of your Grandmother Ettie Hart here on IronOutlaw? It would be lovely to see photos of Steve's siblings.If it's not ok though,I completely understand.Thanks! :)

Here we go again
From: Paul O'Keefe [paul@kellygangeducational.com] 15 Jan 09
Hi Brad, I have been alerted to a photo that keeps doing the rounds is now currently up for auction at livebidonline.com (item no 828 in their online catalogue. See photo attached.). The item description bizarrely states: RICHARD HART (older brother of Steve Hart, a member of the Kelly Gang killed at the siege of Glenrowan): CDV photograph of Richard Hart & John Hart, by Stevenson & McNicoll of Melbourne, c1880. Richard Hart appears to have a revolver in his pocket. This in my opinion is NOT Richard Hart brother of Steve Hart killed at Glenrowan. We have quite a photos of uncle Richard and this bloke looks nothing like him. The other funny thing about the photo and more to the point the description states that he appears to have a revolver in his pocket! I agree that he certainly has an concealed and "angry" looking weapon in his pocket, but I don't think its a revolver!

Joe Byrne
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au] 14 Jan 08
I just wanted to say how interesting the article about the photos of Joe (by Captain Jack Hoyle) was to read. It was good to see all the different photos put together like that too. I still believe though that the posed photo is of Joe, to me, comparing it (along with descriptions of him) & the sad photos of Joe taken after Glenrowan ,look to be the same man. Because of course you also have to take into consideration the angle of Joe's face in the Benalla photos & that it's a couple of years later etc. To me it's like looking at the boxing Ned photo & the photos of Ned taken on Nov 10th, you can see it's the same man ,but he just looks a little different, a little older etc. Plus, didn't Ian Jones also say in The Fatal Friendship that Mrs Byrne gave the portrait as being of Joe to Anton Wickes, surely Mrs Byrne would not mistake Joe for Paddy or anyone else. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong regarding the photo or anything, it's just my opinion .I think it's him. :) P.S. I disagree though that Joe looks 'weedy' in the posed photo. He looks like a strongly built young man, not weedy. But again,Captain Jack's article is really well put together & a very interesting read.Thanks! :)

Joe Byrne
From: Lola R [lolars@bigpond.com] 13 Jan 09
Great research Capt. Jack, but why retire, keep on with this very important research, which could not and was not done 30 years ago... We now, or really YOU now, have the ability and know how to help us interested people in the search of our Australian history ( as we can all see there was more than one JOE BYRNE in the area at this time..)...

Kelly Forum
From: Lisa [captain1@ozemail.com.au] 10 Jan 09
Hi Brad! I just wondered if you've ever considered adding a forum to the IronOutlaw page? :) P.S. Thanks very much for all your work on IronOutlaw,it's a brilliant page & has always been my favourite one on the boys. :) Umm, no...

Am I Related?
From: Christine McLean [cleopatrasneakypants@hotmail.com] 09 Jan 09
I was curious if i was related. My maiden name is NOLAN. Yep, good news. According to Darwin we're all related!

Original 1970 Movie Poster (14"x36")
From: Michael Stephen Vicory [mvicory1956@yahoo.com] 09 Jan 08
I have a Ned Kelly movie poster unlike any I have seen online. It has Mick Jagger with the body armor, ammo belt, and pistol only. It has a hand-made advertisement on the back advertising the MASH movie opening on June 17. It is in excellent condition and I would like to sell it. Would you contact me if you know anyone who might be interested in this poster? Thanks, Mike Vicory (417) 439-7930 It must be old as it's measurements are in inches...