Last Outlaw... Any more news?
From: Daniel Lee Pearson [qwarta76@hotmail.com] 30 Jun 03
I was just wondering if you have heard any more from channel 7? God I hope they give in! Cheers. Keep up the awesome work! There should be some good news before the end of the year, which ever year that may be...

A few short words
From: Alfred Fitzpatrick [fitzpatrick806@hotmail.com.au] 26 Jun 03
Saw the new movie DISAPPOINTING but what could you expect from an American made movie.I am a Fitzpatrick but thankfuly not related, I am a Kelly sympathiser. Made a visit to Beechworth Glenrowan Stringybark Creek and Mansfield in August 2002 'Most enjoyable' One point of interest is that Alex Fitzpatrick the fool that started the trouble mother's maiden name was NEILSON the same as my better half. Funny isn't it.

Sparked an Interest
From: Megan Hicks [hicksme87@hotmail.com] 25 Jun 03
Earlier this year, I went and saw the Ned Kelly Movie and ever since then, I've been really interested in him and whether the portrayal of him and his life was entirely accurate in the movie. This site has answered many of my questions and encouraged me to explore deeper into the legend of Ned Kelly. This movie is famous for the Heath Ledger and Naomi Watts affair. I was just wondering whether anything like that really happened during his lifetime. Keep up the great work and thanks for a wonderful website! I'd like to think Ned experienced some joy before his early death

Poem
From: Peter Stephenson Jones [petersj@bigpond.com] 19 Jun 03
You might be able to help. I found in the archives of our theatre company a poem called  Stringy Bark Creek. Could you tell me where I might buy this in book. The poem may have been written by Joe Byrne according to some ones notes in the margin of the tattered old typed copy I found.I think it is anomimous though. I am the artistic director of The Actors Showcase Theatre School here in Melbourne and also director of The Flying Bookworms. The web site is brilliant. I might have been able to find it but iI got a bit stuck. If you can help me it would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure Brian McDonald could shed some light on this...

Constable Bracken's statement
From: Simon Liddle [liddle40@optusnet.com.au] 19 Jun 03
I'm searching for a copy of any official statements that Constable Bracken may have made about his being taken hostage at Glenrowan. Is there anything on the web? I'm particularly interested in what went on during the hour and a half that Kelly was in the police barracks before Bracken was taken to Jones' hotel.

Umm?
From: Merinda [Edwards_Mindy@ggscorio.com.au.edu] 16 Jun 03
Nice, dont really know what to say. I think that Ned is very inspirational. Isnt it funny that one of Australias best known people is a criminal? Criminal is only a frame of mind. Just look at George W. Bush....

Ned Kelly The Hero
From: Jess [jess_979_47@hotmail.com] 16 Jun 03
My name is jess from western australia and i for one, am a great fan of the ned kelly movie. Through research and viewing the movie i have learned that ned kelly wasnt a bad guy after all, he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. I would have liked it better if the movie included more information on the other characters in the movie such as joe bryne, dan kelly, steve hart and aaron sherritt. Im maybe the only one who wants to see these people tell there story the way they seen it. Although i do have doubts that ned kelly maybe be guilty im convinced just by watching the movie. I mean, is it really hard to believe that the coppers were crooked? Even in our society today we have crooked cops so why  not back in the 1870s? Anyway i would really love to find out more information on ned kelly and the others that played an important roll. Keep up the good work! Seek and ye shall find!

Mrs Ned Kelly?
From: Samantha Hobart [samhobart85@hotmail.com] 14 Jun 03
Hi, I want a question answered. I was wondering if Ned Kelly was married before he was hanged? Nup

Police Uniforms
From: Taryn McPherson [davejadeoffice@optusnet.com.au] 09 Jun 03
I am doing a school project on the poice officers in the past and I need some information on the clothing and equipment that police officers used to use in Ned Kelly's time by the 10th of June. I f you could help me I would deeply appriciate it. Nothing like leaving your run a bit late. Try the Victorian Police Historical Unit, Flinders Street, Melbourne

A question on Ned Kelly the movie
From: Jess [jhaley01@postoffice.csu.edu.au] 09 Jun 03
I am currently studying film and television production at Wagga university and I was interested in gaining any information about special effects used in make-up. Such as gun shot wounds in the film. Is there any information I could obtain on technology, special effects and make-up? The only special effects I am aware of was by the director Gregor Jordan. He managed to turn the totally crap novel ‘Our Sunshine’ into a film script!

How Tall?
From: Thomas Whiteside [swhiteside@netscape.net.au] 08 Jun 03
I am doing a bit of personal research about who owned which suit of armour and I would like to find out Dan Kelly’s or Steve Hart’s build and height. I was wondering if you knew or if not where to find that out?

Wanted Poster
From: Kevin Sturgiss [ksturgiss@dodo.com.au] 06 Jun 03
Would you be able to give me some information about a  Ned Kelly wanted  poster? A friend of mine has a poster  "wanted Ned Kelly." It looks original, it was found behind a cupboard in a pub in Victoria when he was a child. The time frame would be approximately 30 years ago. Would there be such a poster?  If original would you have an idea of its value? Very highly unlikely it is an original but that doesn’t stop people flogging anything remotely Kelly on eBay. So give it a shot and start with a big price tag in US dollars — say 10 grand

The Ned Kelly Movie
From: Phil [Philjak@aol.com] 05 Jun 03
I am an Austalian  film enthusiast an am very interested in The Kelly Gang movie starring Heath Ledger I live near Detroit and I don't know if this film has been released. Has it? Or should I look for it at the video store? It will be launched in US cinemas later this year, probably Christmas

The Last Outlaw
From: Ben Whitworth [thebutcher@bigpond.com] 05 Jun 03
What exactly is the go with The Last Outlaw? Last I heard was that Channel 7 (dickheads!) were in negotiation with Ian Jones. I have emailed Jenetsky or whatever his name is, on many occasions and he's been ever so receptive NOT!! and not bothered to reply. Are there any VCD versions available in the meantime? I taped it when it was on TV but my copy is pretty woeful. Any info would be greatly appreciated. What I have heard is that because there were no contracts drawn up for distribution, EVERY actor with a talking part in the mini series is entitled to a share of the profits. And as it was filmed over 20 years ago many of these people have moved on and would need to be sought out. A copyright nightmare!

Ian Jones’ Documentary
From: Shayne Clarke [topshop@austarnet.com.au] 30 May 03
Hello again, I am ultra - interested in the documentary that Ian Jones is about to produce (the man is a genius). Could you possibly impart any further info on the said film? Thank you. Details are sketchy, but it appears Ian’s wife Bronwyn wrote a script before she passed away last month. At the launch of the re-release of “Ned Kelly. A Short Life” Ian vowed to produce the film. Whether it will be a documentary or drama we will be posting all the information as it comes to hand

School Assignment
From: Yvette Wynne [Wynne.Yvette@stbrigids.wa.edu.au] 29 May 03
Please could you email me any information about Ned Kelly and/or his gang because I need it for an in class assignment. If possible, could it please be before late next week. Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about this is a Cooking website

Pat Cain
From: Michele Barrick [Gbarrickdrfc's@aol.com] 27 May 03
When I was a young girl my grandfather gave me some letters to read. They were written to Pat Cain who was a relative of my paternal grandmother and whose family had originated in Ireland. One of the letters was from Ned Kelly, the others were from his brothers who at the time were living in Canada. My grandfather told me that Ned Kelly was married to Pat Cain at some point, but I have no idea if this is true or if it was the infamous Ned Kelly or a name sake. My son is interested to know if we are related and I wondered if you could point me in the right direction? I hope Pat is short for Patrica and not Patrick. According to the official record written by Peter Carey, Ned Kelly married a Mary Hearn not a Pat Cain

A New Kelly Movie?
From: Bernadette Nester [alex26@dodo.com.au] 27 May 03
Just a quick question. As we don't seem to get as many Ned articles where I live as in Vic, I was wondering if you had heard anything about another, (better) Australian made and more historically accurate movie that is supposedly being made about Ned and the boys? I know Ian Jones is about to produce a new documentary

Our Irish Born Ned
From: Tom [kktkelly@aol.com] 27 May 03
What I am trying to find out is when the Ned Kelly movie be on DVD. Also what part of Ireland was Ned Kelly born in County Kerry? Valentia Island? Please get back to me ASAP. Call me a cynic but I think he was born in Australia

Edgar F. Penzig
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 26 May 03
re: Books: Reference
I just browsed through your book reviews. I took interest in your review of Edgar Penzig's book. I must admit I had the displeasure to read it myself and couldn't agree with you more about the man's oversized ego. I have no doubt most of his info on Ned came from Hare's book and I discovered that the man is not a real historian but a firearms specialist (he knows a lot about historical guns). The painting on the front cover of his book is one of the most obnoxious things about the book, in that he tries to make himself look like a real frontier man but makes himself look more like a real twat. Although I must admit his knowledge on firearms is very commendable however. Some may wish he would use that knowledge on himself...

Tom Lloyd
Lola Rowe nee Lloyd [lola@winnet.com.au] 25 May 03
Looking at a message sent by Peter Hocking on 24 January 2003, he showed a photo of Joe Byrne and maybe Tom Lloyd. When was it taken and which one do you think is Tom? Peter states his family was in Omeo in 1850. My Grandfather Thomas Peter Lloyd was not born until 1857. My family spent time in Swifts Creek near Omeo, in the late 1940s.

The Lost Outlaw
From: Eric Woolley [michael105@hn.ozemail.com.au] 24 May 03
I am 11 years old and I was wondering if you know where I can get the seris of Ned Kelly movies by Jeff Jarat?

Kelly Language
From: Jacqui [jbbadgirl@aol.com] 23 May 03
I am just wondering what would you call the language Ned and the Gang used, for example informal or exaggerated? Well, not as exaggerated as the Heath Ledger movie

Steve Harts Armour
From: Jamie Gee [geezai@optusnet.com.au] 21 May 03
Great Website. I've just been having a look at the armour section and was wondering about Steve Hart's helmet. The aperture for eyesight in his helmet is massive compared to the rest of them. Has anyone postulated as to why this might be. The other helmets suggest that they were quite worried about getting hit in the eye as they were quite narrow. Why then the difference. Did Steve request this or did it just happen. I suppose it would have been easier to aim through the bigger gap. Being so different could it mean that it is a replica or have the origins of the helmet been properly verified. I know that there was a photo taken the next day of a collection of the armour. I remember seeing it in Ian Jone's a short life but can't remember if that helmet was there so that might be a silly question. Is there a known reason for the large aperture? While Ned wasn’t a great wrap for Steve, calling him “a bloody thing” on occasions — usually when he misbehaved— I think the large aperture is due more to the inaccurate science of bush armour rather than any deliberate attempt to get Steve’s brains blown out. Though I must admit, I wouldn't be too keen to don that helmet, not when you compare the eye slit  to Joe’s. Great question Jamie, at last someone not asking me to do their school assignment!

I've got a question!
From: John [feongtaekim@optusnet.com.au] 21 May 03
Hi! My name is John. I have a question to ask you. What were the conditions in Australia at the time Ned Kelly was alive? Can you explain his status as a legend? Please send your answers by today or tommorrow. Thank you! Actually you asked two questions

The Last Outlaw
From: Ruth Moran [ruthholland@bigpond.com] 19 May 03
I would like to purchase the video The Last Outlaw that was shown on ABC TV recently, could you please advise where I can purchase it, I live in Alice Springs. The ABC!

The Quinns
From: Jamie Gee [geezai@optusnet.com.au] 18 May 03
Is there any particular reason why the Quinn family does not rate much of a mention in the Kelly history. From what I can gather they would have had a profound influence on his life. It's been suggested that one of the Quinn's convinced him to join Harry Power and not his mother as Peter Carey's book would have you believe. They Quinn's seemed to be as crooked as a dogs hind leg and with them being so close to him this must have played a big role in his upbringing. Ned is often portrayed as an innocent wronged man. I wonder how true that all was in his youth. Don't get me wron I'm a huge Ned fan but get the feeling that a lot of historians glance over it as if it's not worth mentioning. Perhaps you can inform me of a book that does goe into their influences on Ned a bit more. I’m sure we’ll hear from some of the Quinn relatives very soon...

School Assignment
From: Evil Evoleen [evo_rustybuses@hotmail.com] 18 May 03
I am currently in year 12 and doing History extension. for my major works i have decided to do Ned Kelly, my question is: how did Ned Kelly, the son of an irish catholic convict and an outlawed criminal himself, become a hero of the australian culture. i wondering is you would be able to send me any information regarding this topic or point me in the right direction. i have not really found much myself. if you could it would be wonderful, thanks. Are you asking me to research your assignment?

The Royal Commission
From: Brian McDonald [brianmac@isp.net.au] 17 May 03
Hi Brad. That person has listed the original Kelly Royal Commission again. As I mentioned below it was first listed at 12,000 American dollars and it didn't sell. They listed it again at 15,000 American dollars ... still didn't sell ... now it's 18,000 American dollars — about 27,563 Aussie dollars! Keep an eye on this one! I'll wait for the movie...

JJ Kenneally
From: John [johnno@mail2me.com.au] 16 May 03
i have Ned Kelly the authentic illustrated story ( 1984) and Inner history of the kelly gang (9th edition) by jj kenneally. jj kenneally states there was only one helment with the armour (neds) and keith mcmenomy says there was four. both books are spose to be good and was wondering why such a differencence in opion. jj kenneally states other helment's are bogus and repilica's made by police. can you help with your opinion why the difference? All is revealed in our Armour section

Ned's final place of rest
From: Roxanne Epps [birox@alphalink.com.au] 16 May 03
I just wanted to tell you that you have an awesome Ned Kelly website and that while many people have criticised your site, and your research, I'm sure it is not as easy as many think to create a website devoted to Ned and his 'companions'. Good job! While e-mailing you,  I would really like to ask you for any information you could give me regarding Ned's place of burial at the Old Melbourne Gaol. I would really appreciate it as I'm a loyal Ned Kelly fan! MANY people have criticised my site and research?

Chopped Up
From: Kate [coolchic_kate@hotmail.com] 13 May 03
Does anybody know why Ned Kelly was cut into peices after he was hung? Hi I have to do a school project and one of the questions is why was ned kelly cut up into peices? I have read things but havent found the answer. Try looking up the word Phrenology. It seems everyone wanted their “pound of flesh”. By the way pictures are hung, people are hanged

Family History Research
From: Dean Mayes [dmayes@picknowl.com.au] 13 May 03
I am a descendant of Joseph Mayes who was a Constable then Sergeant in the Victorian Police Force and who served under Superindendant Frances Hare during the hunt for the Kelly Gang. He was a member of the Cave Party who hunted throughout Victoria for the Kelly Gang and was a prominent witness in the Royal Commision into the Victorian Police Force which took place in 1881 and 1882 (he gave evidence in May 1882). I am seeking to get in touch with people who may help me find information concerning my great great grandfather or people who may be descendants of Victorian Police Troopers who served with my great great grandfather. I have enclosed a photograph of Joseph Mayes. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give.

re: Old Book
From: Brian McDonald [brianmac@isp.net.au] 12 May 03
You are quite right Brad, there were a lot more copies of the original Royal Commission, Minutes of Evidence printed in 1881. On the reverse of the title page it states that there were 800 copies printed at a cost of 760 pounds. The Pioneer Facsimile Edition in 1968 only had a run of 250 numbered copies. The eBay copy for sale at 15,000 American dollars is a little bit pricy considering a copy was sold by Kenneth Hince a few years ago at 1,200 Australian dollars! Interesting enough the copy on eBay failed to sell a week ago when the selling price was only 12,000 American dollars! I wonder what price will be next week! I suppose as the seller you can put it any price. It all depends on how much the suckers are willing to part with

Contradictions
From: Lola Rowe [Lola@winnet.com.au] 12 May 03
How is this for a contradiction, a High school in a small country town in Western Aust. studying Australian History, asked to read Peter Careys, FICTIONAL STORY, while on T.V. The Last Outlaw was showing. Of courrse the kids did not know what was true and what wasn't, such a shame when we have such an exciting anand true story that does not need, fictional make believe.

Old Book
From: Alanna Horgan [alijuana@hotmail.com] 10 May 03
Firstly I just want to say GREAT website, and congratulations in particular on the Joe Byrne section - a rare achievement indeed! I noticed your huge selection of Ned Kelly books, and just wanted to let you know that on eBay a guy is selling the original 1881 copy (one of four in the world I believe it said) of the Royal Commission book that has complete trial transcripts and a bunch of other stuff about Ned Kelly and his dealings with the police. An American is selling it, and it would be such a shame if the book didn't come back to Australia. It's pretty danged expensive though - about $25,000!!!! I just thought I'd let you know, as maybe someone who reads your site (with that kind of dosh!) would be interested. Cheers and keep up the good work. Ni neart go guinness! I think the seller is actually based in Queensland. Either way I would like to know where it originally came from as a number of Royal Commission copies were permanently “borrowed” from libraries over the years. And despite the sellers claims, there were a lot more than just four copies produced!

Ian Jones
From: Christine Williams [mattauto@net2000.com.au] 09 May 03
I have searched for an email address to Mr Ian Jones & am hoping you can help me. He is, in my opinion, the most authoritive person to talk to in regards to Ned Kelly & the Gangs history. I am hoping to write a book on the subject and I would really appreciate his input as I have the utmost respect for his & his wife's knowledge of the subject I am truly passionate about I would love to contact them anyway I can. If you could plese provide me with an email address I would be eternally grateful. Thankyou for your time & consideration Are you planning on writing a book on Ian Jones? Surely you’re not planning one on Ned!

The Last Outlaw
From: Joanne [dakota3@iprimus.com.au] 09 May 03
Can you please tell me where I may be able to get a copy of The Last Outlaw?  I was 8 years old when it was filmed. I remember watching it on TV and would love to be able to show my children. Thanks. Call back in a few months as I’m planning on selling them online if Channel Seven gives the production run the go ahead

McPherson
From: Carol [cazlyn@iprimus.com.au] 09 May 03
First, what a great site! I am researching a family named McPherson who originally came from the Euroa district, then moved to the New England district of New South Wales. There has been a story passed down for generations of how the family used to leave food hidden in the bush for the Kelly boys when they were on the run. I have read about an Ernie McPherson who was a mate of Dan Kelly and wondered if there is some connection. Edith McPherson, who married Thomas Dodd in Inverell in 1911 said she remembers her mother leaving food out for the Kellys when she was a young girl. Anyone know anything about this story?

Rescued from drowning
From: Brian O'Connor [brianoco@iprimus.com.au] 06 May 03
The following info is probably known to you but in case it isn't I am sending it to you. On 16th April this year I was listening to the John Law's show at about 11.45am when I heard the latter part of a conversation with a man who stated that he was the grandson of the boy who was rescued from drowning by the young Ned Kelly. This caller now lives at Hartford in Melbourne. At the time John Laws was discussing inaccuracies in the Ned Kelly film and mentioned that it was a pity that the producers had not taken the trouble to contact person's such as the caller. I presume that info re the caller's name and telephone number can be obtained from the radio station if someone from your website is interested in speaking to him. My grandfather Pat O'Meara arrived in Melbourne from Tipperary about 1888. He told me that he had met Ned Kelly's sister Kate when she worked at a Melbourne hotel as a barmaid. I believe that she worked at Young and Jacksons hotel. I recently found your website after viewing the Ned Kelly film. I enjoy your website. Always good to gain another recruit. As for the drowning boy — grand father of Essendon legend Ian ‘Bluey’ Shelton, Ben Collins in interNED has just run a story on him and other footballers associated with the Kelly legend

Royal Mail Hotel
From: Brant James [rensquiz@hotmail.com] 05 May 03
Its a great site one particular part of your information is totally incorrect. Several others sites also state the same. The Royal Mail Hotel, where Ned drank and kept everyone in the bar still stands today. It was the Royal Hotel which burnt to the ground. The Royal Mail Hotel is currently being renovated, the Royal Mail Hotel was a single storey building when Ned visited. However the Royal Mail is now a two storey with the ground floor being the original part of the hotel visited by Ned Kelly. Recently in Febuary — March, 2003 many historians visited the hotel with inspecting the oldest parts of the hotel that remain. The local council will confirm this they are actively involved in the resotration and renovation of the said hotel. Well I wasn’t totally incorrect. I did get the Royal and Hotel part right...

The Kelly Family
From: Arch King [phonesel@xtra.co.nz] 02 May 03
My Great Grandfather Frederick King (a boot maker in Greytown Wairarapa New Zealand) was married to Catherine Kelly. My grandfather (Richard John King) was born in 1873 so the ages matchhup. Does anyone know if there was a Catherine Kelly related to Ned Kelly? My parents always said we are related, but would not give any details. I would appreciate any information to prove or disprove the story. Many thanks in anticipation. No, research shows you have no connection. Nice try though

Script
From: Maddy [madeleine_else@yahoo.com.au] 30 Apr 03
Hello, i think that ned kelly was just misunderstood. i have seen the new movie with heath ledger and orlando bloom and i would really really really really really like to be able to read the script. could someone please tell me a website that I can find it on? You can buy a copy of the movie script from one of the larger bookstores, or if you can’t find one, just pick up a copy of “Young Guns”...

Ned Kelly Sydney Movie Premiere
From: Paul O'Keefe [okeefe@smartchat.net.au] 29 Apr 03
Well I waited for our V.I.P tickets to arive for the Sydney Premier of “The Movie” but they must of forgotten my address or they just didn't obviously want any Kelly Gang relatives to vomit on their red carpet. Not from their over indugence from after movie party festivities, but out of sheer horror of how some bunch of Arty Farty Yuppie movie makers have yet again misconstrued one of the great true stories of our nation. I acutally thought Peter Carey did a good job at that but Jordan's interpretation (with Robert Drewe's book Our Sunshine's help) has taken this fantastic story to a new low. Throughout the movie if you shut your eye's you would of thought you were surrounded by a bunch of Irish backpackers, There were so many inconsistancies and fictional occurances throughout the movie which really makes me very angry. For Example:

• The scene where Ned's dictation of the Jerilderie Letter occured, infront of his captive audience (no pun intended)... Imagine having to stand there and listen to this letter being dictated. The size of the Jerilderie letter is over 50 pages, a document of over 8,000 words. I think any one of the captives there that day would have pleaded for Ned to shoot them.
• The relationship with Julia Cook (Naomi Watt's character) totally ficticious. I guess something to please the Yank audiences, at least there is no mention of a wife and child like in Carey's book!
• Then to kill and drink the blood of a horse. What happend to all the toasted wildlife Kangaroo's etc. etc. But any good story wouldn't be complete without featuring a circus! I was waiting for a scene of Bozo the clown to trip over his big floppy red shoes as he escaped from the Glenrowen Inn. Then the Lion getting shot, my God Could it get any worse I thought to myself?
• Well it did, to see the four gang members in full armour side by side shooting and deflecting bullets on the verandah of the Inn reminded me of a 1960s B grade spaghetti western.

There are so many other gut wrenching gems in this movie I lost count. But the last word on this movie must go to my 10 year old son Ryan who I took there to show him his famous ancestors portrayed on the big screen. After the movie I asked him “Well what did you think of the movie mate?” He replied “It was crap Dad”. Such is the movie. Regards, Paul O'Keefe, Kelly Gang decendant “Jaysus Ned dav takin Mar!”

We salute you!
From: Daniel Lee Pearson [qwarta76@hotmail.com] 27 Apr 03
Cheers, why so many awards? Easy answer! This is easy to navigate, full of relative and great learning material for anybody and a  tribute to Australian history. Keep up the out standing work! All the best. I salute you anyway.

Glenrowan, the last stand
From: Geoff Davidson [geoffda@alphalink.com.au] 26 Apr 03
I've just seen the latest film on Ned and a bit disappointed with the action scenes. Would you please let me know how many people in total in all places Ned and the gang are supposed to have killed, how many troopers were at Glenrowan, how many troopers and others killed at Glenrowan. The impression left with me by the film is that Ned had about 200 rounds of amunition in 2 revolvers, scored with every shot he made, the troopers killed some of the innocent and that dozens of troopers were shot. Hope you can clear it up for me. The only trooper shot by the Kelly's during the Glenrowan siege was Inspector Hare during the first volley. He sustained a “life threatening” graze to the wrist which saw him rush back to Melbourne to convalesce, leaving the police without a commanding officer. Nice work. There were a number of civilian casualties which the police seem reluctant to acknowledge, even Victoria’s overweight Chief Commissioner has trouble recalling this aspect of the siege

re: Ned's accent
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 23 Apr 03
Brad, I could not agree with you more on your comments after this piece. This topic is well documented and can be viewed at: education.curtin.edu.au/iier/iier3/pyvis.html. Indeed our films, newsreels and radio announcers were nearly all compelled to speak in a refined British accent. One exception are the films that were made by Chips Rafferty. Rafferty always had trouble raising money for his Australian films, as they did not fit the pattern of those who controlled the money and the industry. Rafferty even mortgaged his house to finance at least one film. American films are no different, with actors having to learn what is termed the Mid Atlantic or New England American accent. This is even more noticeable in their earliest talking films where they can sound quite British at times. Another problem that causes conflict in the portrayal of our language is that, “The Australian English language has a formal style as well as a colloquial style. In writing, Australian still has a formal style while it sustains an informal style in speaking”. (Quoted from History of Australian English). So you have the clash between how we write something and how we say it. I personally think we write things so they are better understood abroad and/or to make the writer appear more intellectual. Our language and accent is an extremely complicated issue and can not be simplified by the assertion of what one individual thinks. Ned spoke with what was “then”, an Australian accent and should be portrayed as such now. The proof is there, one only has to look. P.S. Have seen the latest film and although the cinematography and the sets were second to none, the story and accents were a disgrace, making a mockery of what whole Kelly saga. Chips Rafferty, now there was a true Australian legend....

Ned's accent
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 20 Apr 03
To all those who have argued about Ned's accent without resolve. Allow me to put forward my own personal ideas on the accent of Australia's greatest enforced outlaw. People wonder if he used an Irish accent or an Aussie one. I was watching some Aussie films from the late 1950's to the 1960's and noticed a quite peculiar thing. A lot of those older people who would of been more colonially educated, so to speak, spoke with English accents. Odd isn't it? Now researchers claim an Australian accent was derived even back in the 1820's, but still people in the mid-1900's talked like the English! What's to say that a creole like Mr. Kelly who grew up in a largely Irish community wouldn't talk like an Irishman? Especially in his earliest days when he wasn't around as many English, Welsh or Scottish, let alone people already bearing an Australian accent? I believe that Ned would have spoken with a largely Australian accent that had an Irish twang. There was a concerted effort by many Australian broadcasters and actors in the 1930s and 40s to speak like they had just stepped up to a BBC microphone

Ned Kelly the movie
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 16 Apr 03
I recently had some friends over for a Ned Kelly movie marathon. We started with Ned Kelly 1970, one of my friends fell asleep two minutes into it. We followed that up with The Last Outlaw, which I am forever grateful that my uncle taped it for me. Then yesterday we saw Ned Kelly 2003. The verdict was: While NK 1970 was terrible, The Last Outlaw was very informative and enjoyable. However NK 2003 drives the story into you (Whether it is fictional or not they still got what it was about. Unfourtunately, the rising generation finds fiction more entertaining and thus will block out fact if the situation allows it. After the film we looked in Angus & Robertson booksellers, and suprise suprise, Our Sunshine has been re-released with Heath Ledger's face emblazoned upon the cover. Though I was half considering buying it to bulk up my Ned Kelly library, I figured, if it were toilet paper I wouldn't use such crap to wipe my arse. I may get NK 1970 on DVD though as it's just been released! Aidan, books are supposed to be used at the other end of your body

Hello
From: Renee Luttrell [luttrelr@rsh.tas.edu.au] 15 Apr 03
My name is Renee and i was just reading the website that you have on Ned Kelly and i think that it is quite good because you have wrote a lot  things on thee that i never even new about. I have just been t see the movie Ned Kelly and in class all we ar talking about is Ned Kelly and we had t go home for home work and research him and the first site that i came to was this but the main thing is that i got all the qustions that i had were answered but yeah that is all i really have to say but i would like it i you could e-mail me back. Is this some sort of pen pal invite?

The Last Outlaw Petition
From: Geoff Crapper [crappers@netcon.net.au] 15 Apr 03
Hi Brad, I am curious to know how long The Last Outlaw petition has been running for. By chance I was up at Glenrowan about 10 days ago and Gary Dean from the Kelly Store commented that The Last Outlaw was easily the best cinematographic version of the Kelly saga. I figured that he should know seeing that the Kelly saga was his livelihood. I have a few connections with the era. Firstly my wife's grandfather was delivered by Rose Kennedy in 1875, the local Mansfield mid-wife and mother of Sgt Michael Kennedy. Secondly, Agnes Byrne, a relation (of some sort) to Joe Byrne, worked in my wife's grandfather's bakery in Mansfield (in the 1930's, I suspect). Thirdly, Thomas Curnow, the school teacher who flagged down the police train moved on (as you might expect) to Ballarat where he taught my grandmother in the late 1880's or early 1890's. Finally, one of my wife's cousins provided the large stone on which the recently dedicated memorial at Stringybark Creek is now located. Best regards, TLO signatory No. 319. The petition has been running for about three months

Beveridge Homestead
From: Jan Shipley [warungan@bocnet.com.au] 13 Apr 03
Just found the ironoutlaw site... superb! wonderful job you are doing was unaware of the "Kelly" house until coming here... I am appauled at the thought of loosing it... have much stronger language in my head that can not be repeated here. we live in a very young country hisory wise... the amount of visual history is very small... love Ned or hate him that is not the point  he IS history... to see things disappear for the lack of $s is just the pits. have watched as old buildings are torn down... only to say after they have gone... ooops... it trully amazes me... as an Irish/Aboriginal... (mum Irish... dad aboriginal)... seeing what little we have in the way of visual history disappear turns my stomach. thank you for your time ...No...problem...

The Last Outlaw (mini-series)?
From: Simon Steele [saturnv10@hotmail.com] 12 Apr 03
I watched the recent showing of this series on telly but unfortunately I was as poor as an irishman at the time and my video was at Cash Converters. I couldn't tape it but I know that scores of people did. So secretly would you know of anyone who might be able to slip me a copy? I've signed the petition and contacted Peter at Channel Seven so I've tried. PS I actually look like Ned himself complete from hair to beard!

Last Outlaw > DVD > Legal Action
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 12 Apr 03
I am not a lawyer, but a friend of mine is. If Mr Jones would like some legal advice on the Channel 7 contract, I'm sure we could help out. If Channel 7 marketing say they Channel 7 doesn't have the rights, then surely Mr Jones can move forward. We just need to get that in writing from Channel 7. Or, assume that Channel 7 WILL expect a cut and draw up contracts for them to sign giving them 10% of the take. Let's be pro-active on this and not wait for Channel 7. Let's face it, if they can't hold onto AFL Football, what chance have they got to actively come to the party on this one? So simple!

Station Master Stanistreet?
From: Jess Stanistreet [jess2469@hotmail.com] 12 Apr 03
Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:00:55 AM Australia/Melbourne
My name is Jess Stanistreet and I was wondering if knew anything about the Station Master or something along the lines of that and his last name was Stanistreet. I found out that he was my great great great grandfather and I would really apprieciate any info you have. Anyone got any leads?

The Petition
From: Daniel Pearson [qwarta76@hotmail.com] 12 Apr 03
I remember when the series was on and that i never watched it then! Man I know can only imagine what I have missed! Thanks for doing all that man, hopefully it will get some action! Well, after ignoring me for years Channel Seven now know who I am

Damn great work!
From: Daniel Pearson [qwarta76@hotmail.com] 09 Apr 03
Hey guys, through your web-site and Ian Jones' book A short life, I have treasured the information I have learned about The kelly revolution. I would have to put myself down as a biased sympathiser but i wasn't before reading all the information, now ymhert really feels for him and his plight! I am also an artist and after being struck with such passion from the Kelly story, my goal now is to do what I wish i had a long while ago. I want to learn some more about the places and do a series of art peices on the man and the time! I hope to do this by visiting the places, using ian jones' book as a guide and portray the man the way i see him. As the leader of a revolution and a falsely accused outlaw! Sure the man wasn't a saint but I don't know how he didn't go insane and into a blood bath frenzy earlier in his life. my opinion of him is high and I think he was a fair man! Anyway, to cut my long dribble short, thanks so much for this web site! it's great!

Reciprocal Link
re: nedkellyart.com
From: Nam Trak [namtrak@hotmail.com] 08 Apr 03
We have included a link to your wonderful Kelly site (sincerely). And we were wodnering if you could include a link to new and developing gallery site. Hmm, some of your images look VERY familiar...

This website
From: Shayne Clarke [topshop@austarnet.com.au] 08 Apr 03
I know you have heard this countless times before but after suffering sleep deprivation for weeks because of your website I felt compelled to drop a note to say congratulations on putting together such an amazing testimonial to the whole Kelly saga. Having grown up in Violet Town and Benalla, I always had an interest in the Kelly gang, which only flourished after studying the story at school in 1980 to co-incide with the centenary of Ned's death and then viewing the amazing mini-series The Last Outlaw.

Re: Interesting article
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 08 Apr 03
Many thanks to Kate Blake for that reference to The many histories of the Kelly Gang by Martin Flanagan. It was indeed a most interesting and well written article and I note that the author also question the use of Irish Accents in films and I quote, “The effect of the two most recent films is to portray the Kelly myth as a case of the English versus the Irish. In each film, the Kellys, and those around them, speak with Irish accents. I am not persuaded they did.” And a bit further along, “What the films miss are the Australianess of the story. Ned was born the year of the Eureka Stockade. His early years, the ones when his accent would have formed, were spent in that central corridor of Victoria that was awash with traffic to and from the goldfields.” I was also surprised Brad that you never posted the link to the article I brought to your attention from the Sydney Morning Herald, that also questioned using Irish accents. Maybe this was an oversight, but Im sure that some visitors to Ironoutlaw would like to view the article and make up their own minds. I never posted the article as you forgot to supply the link

Ned Kelly blooper
From: Daniel Kinsey [kinsey@poczta.onet.pl] 08 Apr 03
Saw Ned Kelly as part of a school excursion along with all the historical mistakes (i spotted a couple, look forward to seeing an exhaustive list on your website sometim, perhaps?) i spotted this beautiful blooper fitzpatrick has just been shot, aaron or dan (who ever...) empties the gun at his feet and then throws it at his feet.  Fitzpatrick then picks the gun up WITH HIS WOUNDED HAND and gets on his horse - my personal highlight of the movie.. :-) thanks very much for your beautiful website, i've only had the chance to have a quick look - it's an invaluabel resources

The Last Outlaw Mini Series
From: Neil Mylott [nmylott@optusnet.com.au] 08 Apr 03
Do you know if the 1980 Mini Series is available on DVD or VHS? Never heard of it!

Restore the Kelly's Homestead
From: Em Lukas [emi_roo@hotmail.com] 07 Apr 03
My names emma and i love Ned Kelly and everything about the gang! Sometime in my life i would love to see some of the historical sites, and i know the Kelly house is going to ruins so i was woundering if you would like to start a petition with me. Something like The Kelly Home at Beveridge is in a disgraceful state, it is an Australian landmark and should be restored immediately. Interested, i know you know its a good cause!

The Last Outlaw
From: Schurmann, Andrea [Andrea.Schurmann@citigroup.com] 07 Apr 03
Just wanting to know if you know of anywhere where i can buy the lat outlaw series on video or dvd? So do I

The Last Outlaw Video
From: Ausilia Cristiano [a.cristiano@odysseytravel.com.au] 07 Apr 03
I am desperately try to find out if I can purchase the Last Outlaw. Do you have anything that could help me. Now you can't tell me you've read the feedback below...

The Last Outlaw - Let's release it!
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 07 Apr 03
Well, very interesting what Channel Seven had to say to you... as it's exactly what they said to me on the phone on Friday! Ian - go ahead and release it! They say it's not up to them and that it's not in the original contract (which would be correct - as at the time VHS and DVD sales would be non-issues). That's Channel Seven's official line. So, let's get to work on releasing the DVD with extra features such as a commentary by Jones, Binns and Jarratt! Looking forward to this one! Hmm, I don't for one minute believe Channel Seven wouldn't take legal action on anyone who started distributing The Last Outlaw on DVD or VHS without them getting their cut

Please reply
From: Pat Nicholson [paulbuilt@optusnet.com.au] 05 Apr 03
To whom it my concern, I don't know who I am writing to but I would like to know what other exhibitions are coming up I live in Brisbane, I have also entered my husbands tattoos into the competition but never heard any thing from any one I have seen on your web sight that the competition ended in April last year but no let us know what happened can any one please tell us what has been happening, thank you. What competition? I think maybe you mean the guys who ran Ned: The Exhibition. As for upcoming events look no further than our very own Exhibition page

Review: The Legend of Ned Kelly
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 05 Apr 03
I am submitting a review of the magazine that was released in conjunction with the Legend of Ned Kelly exhibition (appropriately titled The Legend of Ned Kelly). It is an in-depth look at the story of Ned, not disimilar to the book from Ned: The Exhibition. It has plenty of great pictures, including some from that dreadful Mick Jagger flick. It gives plenty of information for anyone interested. Well worth the $9.95 price tag. Yes, with loads of photos from the camera of Matt Deller it is VERY similar to Ned: The Exhibition, which by the way, is available to buy here for only $14.95 including Australia wide delivery...

Excellent website
From: Shaun McCarthy [kierbo@optushome.com.au] 04 Apr 03
I just wanted to congratulate you on your excellent website which I discovered tonight whilst browsing on the Village Cinemas website. I was particularly impressed by the scans of the original press from 1980 when "The Last Outlaw" was released.  I watched this mini-series last week on Channel 7 and was very impressed.  It was great to be able to read the press from the time! I have now seen the 1970 movie (which was last shown on Channel 7 a few years ago), the new movie, and 'The Last Outlaw'.  With a bit of luck, Channel 7 might show the 1970 film again. Keep up the great work.  The website is a credit to you :-) I should get you to put in a good word to my ex—boss

Facts not Fiction
From: Lisa [lisaannon@bigpond.com.au] 04 Apr 03
Just wondered if I could please comment about the new Ned Kelly film. When I first read about a new film being made, like everyone I was excited about it. I thought in this day and age they would make a brilliant film about the boys. But no, as soon as I saw the word 'fiction' I knew I wouldn't bother with it. And after reading the reviews here on Ironoutlaw,and after seeing the previews, I know I have made the best decision. I have just always hated fiction about Ned, Joe, Dan and Steve, I just think it is disrespectful to them. I have never read Our Sunshine and I wouldn't spit on Peter Carey's book. I can't believe they based the film on a fictional book. The Kelly Gang story is incredible in every way, you couldn't make it more interesting. Just seeing the mistakes on the previews on television about the film are annoying enough. They could have made a fantastic film. It is very disappointing and a real shame. I just hope people watched The Last OutLaw when it was on again recently,to see the facts,it is a terrific mini series,and the actors actually look like them. Ned always wanted his story told. Fiction is just a joke. When people are writing a book or making a film about people who were real why not tell it like it was. Alot more people would have gone to see it if it had been based on fact. I won't be bothering with it, I just think it is a real injustice to the boys. Thanks! I think you should still see the movie

The Last Outlaw
From: Marian Matta [mandpmatta@yahoo.com.au] 04 Apr 03
I tried ringing Peter Jenetsky and got a call back from a nice girl called Renee (Marketing Department, Channel Seven) who proceeded to give me a load of old flannel which basically put all the blame on poor Ian Jones for the non-release of The Last OutLaw on Video or DVD. Am I surprised? No. And for the record, I just saw the film and I liked it, horse-blood and all. Heath is a good young Ned (but without the dignity of the original). So it wasn't factual - so what. Yeah so what? Except the director, Gregor Jordan, is pushing to have the movie become part of the Australian history curriculum at high schools. As for Channel Seven, they rang me to say stop handing out poor Pete’s phone number as he has no idea what is going on — even though Ian Jones has had dialogie with him over the release. They also said as no VHS or DVD release was ever negotiated at contract stage it has nothing to do with them — so does that mean anyone can sell the mini series...

Voting polls on Ironoutlaw.com
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 03 Apr 03
G'day all, long time Kelly buff here asking whether anyone else would think it a good idea to have voting polls on Ironoutlaw.com, such as who you think would be the best actor to play certain characters in a film? Any way, I'll e-mail Brad and see what he think eh? Yeah, great idea. I love CGI scripting, unless anyone else wants to volunteer?

What the name Ned Kelly means to me
From: Bernadette Nester [alex26@dodo.com] 03 Apr 03
Hi there fellow Ned Kelly supporters. I've only recently become computer orientated and since discovered this site. As a complete Ned head, I guess it would be obvious that anything I had to say about Ned and the trials he faced throughout his short time with us would be rather bias. What I'd like to see now is for Australians as a whole to embrace the Ned Kelly saga. Regardless of whether you think he was a common criminal, a man pushed to the point of no return or a revolutionist ahead of his time; wouldn't it be great to look at it from a distance and let it mirror what we'd like the whole world to see us as, A people who irrespective of cultural background, have a go when it's necessary, party just as hard, and whose social mainstay is to judge, if at all, according to honesty, loyalty, and fairness. After all, wasn't that what Ned was fighting for. Whether it was the good fight or not doesn't matter when you consider the fact that at least he had the guts to fight for what he knew to be right at all. It is a far greater crime to stay silent when you know something to be wrong. He knew the minute he crossed the line what the outcome would be for him, but in the face of that he went on, with the belief that if he could make others aware and perhaps even make living a more equitable venture for all, it was worth it. I only wish I had that much guts. I wish just as much that once people know the history of the Kelly Gang, (the true history, not the Hollywood history, entertaining though it is) they remember why Ned went through what he did. If they're not sure, a read through the Jerilderie letter is worth a look? Well said

Neds Plan
From: Chad [chad@convictcreations.com] 03 Apr 03
I am curious about Ned's motivations in his last stand. Officially he wanted hostages to exchange for his mum. However this seems like a silly plan considering she was to be released in a year or so, was unlikely to enjoy living on the run in the bush and the exchange itself would be a bit risky. For me, Ned seemed too intelligent to make a plan that ultimately was going to lead nowhere? Do you think Ned was possibility trying to get the community to fire upon the police officers so a heavy handed response would further alienate them and led to a rebellion? Yes, I think the Republic of North Eastern Victoria was high on the minds of Ned and Joe

Ned Kelly and the Gang
From: Michelle Quinn [sequin@nobbys.net.au] 03 Apr 03
I've only just recently had a stirring of intrest for my realitive Edward Kelly. My Antrim born father has always prided himself on being the ancestor of Ned and my brothers and I grew up amoungst the memorablia. Since recently watching the movie (amazing what television does), I want to know all I can about Ned and the gang and the more I learn, the more I'm amazed by such inspirational men. So I just wanted to say thankyou for all the helpful information. They truely were wonderful men who weren't going down without a fight. Also just a mention on the movie - outstanding in every aspect. Yes, out standing...

The Last Outlaw on DVD or VHS
From: Michael Anderson [Michael.J.Anderson@msci.com] 03 Apr 03
Just wondering if you know if this was ever released? Yes I know

A Typical Australian?
From: Brooke [readb@annesley.sa.edu.au] 02 Apr 03
My name is Brooke and I am from Annesley College. I am researching Ned Kelly and why he is classed “A Typical Australian?”. I was wondering if you have any, relevent information that would be interesting to teenagers ranging from the ages of 15 to 16 years of age. If you could E-Mail me the information that would be muchly appreciated. Well for me, the typical Australian would have to be John Howard (the Prime Minister not the bloke from “Always Greener” and “Sea Change”)

My Two Bob
From: Kylie Jane Naughten [little_egypt74@hotmail.com] 02 Apr 03
My name is Kylie Naughten, im 28 and for a short period of my life, resided in Beveridge from 1979 to 1982 (rough estimate). I went to Beveridge Primary School and lived on a farm somewhere off the bridge turnoff. I remember vividly going to school and walking to the milk-bar at the end of the road to pick up our lunches, unaware of the beautiful, wonderous history I was surrounded in. Thinking back I am saddened by the fact I was only about 6 years old at the time, I wish I could have stayed longer. To an age were I'd appreciate my (what seems, an unimportant) existance in such a quiet, historical, amazing corner of Victoria that not many people know about. Basically, I regret not being old enough to appreciate it. My brother was born in 1980 and in about 1982 we moved to Culcairn, N.S.W, surprisingly enough thats about 30km's from Jerilderie!! (going by my memory, 12 at the time). I remember as a child my father would take me to old building sites and farms to dig for old bottles.

The Last OutLaw Episode 3 and 4
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 31 Mar 03
Here's the final tally. Thanks Channel Seven. If you're going to screw it up, you're at least consistent... And screw it up royally every single time. Episode 3 running time was 1 hour 38 minutes. Channel Seven edits bring this to 1 hour 32 minutes. Episode 4 running time was 1 hour 38 minutes. Channel Seven edits bring this to 1 hour 32 minutes. The one to watch...

The Last OutLaw
From: Steven Gerlach [steven.gerlach@smavic.com.au] 31 Mar 03
Peter Jenetsky's email address is pjenetsky@seven.com.au. I just sent him a query email about The Last OutLaw. I'll let you know the outcome. We'll get there, my friend. P.S. Was The Last OutLaw ever shown overseas? If so, by who? They would have the overseas rights. We maybe able to get a DVD going that way. Yes everyone, give Mr Jenetsky an email

The Last Outlaw
From: Bob Mason [masonb@freightaustralia.com.au] 31 Mar 03
The Last Outlaw mini series I would like to know if this mini series can still be purchased, if so where abouts. Where have you been?

Interesting Article
From: Kate Blake [kateblake@iinet.net.au] 31 Mar 03
source: theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653852118.html
Not sure if you have seen this article - but I thought it was quite an interesting one. As for Derek Ballantine — the dribble just continues to come out his mouth. All the best. Indeed an excellent article, unlike Derek's pre school romp

Ned’s Room
From: Marilyn Reid [CROC5@bigpond.com] 31 Mar 03
Hi, im just emailing you because i thought you might like to know, Ned has his own room in my house he is all over the walls and i have made the town of glenrowan out of bulsa wood which is on a big table in the same room, but is not finished yet. Let me know when he comes home

Re: Rare Ned Kelly Books
From: Brian McDonald [brianmac@isp.net.au] 30 Mar 03
I totally agree with Paul's comment and there are a multitude of books on Kelly out there. My last count amounted to 450 books on, or containing information about, Kelly and his gang. Although indivitual book sellers sites are good, it may pay to visit abebooks.com as they have booksellers from all over the world listing on their site. This means you can compare prices (taking into account currency exchange and postage) when you list an author and title in the search. Typing Bushrang* in the keyword will give you more than 1,700 titles for sale!Please forgive my being pedantic, but I often see people using the word hung instead of hanged. A painting is hung on the wall - a person is hanged by the neck. Joe was hung to take his photograph and Ned was hanged. Congratulations again Brad for your informative site. Thankyou Mr Kellyana. Nothing like being “well hung”

Ned Kelly
From: Gary Taylor [garyrtaylor52@hotmail.com] 30 Mar 03
Is the ned kelly suit the eriginle one and is the guns the eriginle to i am are fan ove ned kelly sow i would like to now more a bat ned so i would be happy if you could send sum ifermashon to me. With writing like that are you sure you're not Derek Ballantine?

The Ned Kelly Movie
re: Ned Kelly the movie
From: Dominic W. Kelly [Dominic@cfbs.com.au] 30 Mar 03
Your review of NED KELLY 2003 movie is spot on! I agree totally with your negative and positive observations. The Ned Kelly true story is so fascinating... why change facts? Why delete significant facts like the Lonigan coincidence and the McDonald's pub and replace it with ridiculous inclusions like the circus and the blood drinking scenes? It almost makes you want to cry. I haven't felt so annoyed and disappointed since I read Peter Carey's travesty. But congratulations to the likes of yourself and Ian Jones who continue to keep everyone honest and honour the true events. Well done to you sir! Well it was based on Robert Drewes shocker of a book “Our Sunshine”

Flogging a dead horse?
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 29 Mar 03
I honestly thought you would not be interested following your comment at the end of one piece I wrote, Yes, flogging a dead horse. That, combined with my last submission to Ironoutlaw being ignored, led me to think that maybe I had become a tiresome pest. I did not send a copy of the article I mentioned, because I do not know how the copyright laws work and as you have other clipping from newspapers, thought you would be better able to access it. Nicky Cowie was able to attach it to Bailup. The article however, is attached below.
source: writings_derriman.html

The Ned Kelly Movie
re: Ned Kelly the movie
From: Kate Blake [kateblake@iinet.net.au] 29 Mar 03
Just writing to say ditto to all you wrote in your review of this movie. I have waited in anticipation for months to see this movie - and at the end of it walked out of that theatre just dumbfounded really. I just couldn't believe the stupid unecessary scenes in it - especially the horse-killing scene. Only saving grace is that Heath does carry his part well - but that is really only positive I can see. Why have such a perfect Ned and then base a major movie on a fictional book. The Kelly story stands by itself - it needs nothing added, just the true story is enough. I had planned on taking my children to see it - but really doubt I will now - my horse loving daughter would be really disturbed by some of the scenes. I will let them watch The Last Outlaw instead! I think we'll be reading a lot more emails like this one over the coming weeks. Interesting to note, in a recent interview, Heath Ledger said the original film ran for over four hours before it was cut. Obviously they chopped out all the good parts. I wonder what the DVD will contai

The Last Outlaw
From: Tania Fisher [fisher_tania@hotmail.com] 29 Mar 03
I am writing to you wondering if copies of the mini series The Last Outlaw is available to buy on VHS or DVD? It was recentley shown again on Melbourne TV during the day. My family and I are true Ned Kelly followers and remember watching this as kids. We feel it would be a great movie to keep and be part of our family history. Contact Channel Seven’s National Marketing Manager Peter Jenetsky on 02 9877 7480 and let him know how you feel.

re: Ned Kelly, bog Irish? I think not
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 28 Mar 03
Dear Paddy, you seem to be having quite an identity crisis. In case you hadnt noticed, there are variations of the Aussie accent, depending on what part of the country you are in. To an outsider (someone from another country), we most probably all sound alike, but we Australians can pick the differences. This is the norm for most countries. I suggest you read all of the Great Debate section regarding this topic and digest it fully. Hopefully there will be a link on this website to another newspaper article ('Begorrah, Ned, or maybe g'day?' ) that puts both sides of the argument forward. It is far easier for people to assume something, based on their own limited knowledge or abundant ignorance than it is to research a subject. The documentation is there to back up an Aussie accent as are the experts in the Australian version (and accent) of the English language, so there is no excuse for those involved in telling a story of early Australia, for not getting off their bums and doing a little research. It wasn?t that long ago that TV and radio stations (especially the ABC) in this country insisted on a “refined” English accent for their programs. This gave the impression overseas that we all spoke this way. This led to much controversy, because it was felt that we should be using our ?own? accent. This is also well documented. I know of one fellow who would now be 51 years of age, born in Britain and raised here since he was 5. He has such a strong Pommy “type” accent that is actually almost illegible, far stronger and totally different than that of his father. This poor fellow could not be used as an example of how accents evolve as he is obviously a rare and isolated case, but Im sure some would try. I would debate this subject with anyone, anywhere, anytime. I would gladly welcome the chance to address this issue with Ian Jones, who is one person that could definitely help change the perception of the way early Australians spoke.

The Last Outlaw
From: Mark van Gent [markvg@optusnet.com.au] 28 Mar 03
Hey guy and girls, when I was a young lad I saw this mini on 7 and I would love to buy a copy of it was it ever available to purchase it and where from i saw some pics from it on your site and thought I would ask you guys where can I get it from. It was The Last OutLaw. I just went and saw Ned Kelly the movie and it was not even close to being as good as this every time I am in Melbourne I go and look at his armor. Can you let me know? How old were you last week? That's when it was on last time...

I love Ned Kelly
From: Becky Salomons [fun_things@hotmail.com] 28 Mar 03
Ned Kelly is so so cool he is the best. they made him look so bad but they were the bad ones and he was the good one. i think it is so sad that he got kill he was onle 25. i think it was so cool how he saved the boys life when he was 10.i just got back from seeing the movie and i think it was the best just like him and i think that he is the bigest hero and legend ever i love Ned Kelly.

Glory be to the Oirish!!!
From: Max Rowley [academy_98@yahoo.com] 28 Mar 03
Ned Kelly the movie. Well? There wasnt an Australian in sight. What happened to the Australians. My Grandfather was the son of and Irish born school teacher from 1865 and his Irish born wife in the NSW bush at the same time as Ned was carousing and killing with his gang. My grandfather sounded like the rest of us. If you called and Irishman and
Englishman he?d hit you and yet we were asked to accept these ersatz Irishmen as Australian. For goodness sake. Enough is enough. The native fauna was so “Skippy the bush kangaroo”. The kookaburras laughing shot recalled Movietone news. The brothers face adversity in the bush, “The sons of Mathew” from the 1940s. The train steaming over our heads brought reminiscences of the “Perils of Pauline”. Kids jumping into the water “Swimming upstream”. Smashing the glass windows to “shoot it out” with the coppers “Hoppalong Cassidy”.

Derivative? Maybe not intentionally but to add to this everyone spoke with this irritating “Bog Irish” burr which gave the dialogue a “chalk on blackboard” quality. An Irish woman saying “Jesus Christ” would have her excommunicated. “Jesus, Mary and Joseph” my Irish born mother—in—laws mum would say. Great actors wasted I felt. They did the best they could with a story oft repeated but so far never really that successful. Great sound, great production values, great visuals and photography. Less than a great movie experience. He died in the end, or should I say “Hay Doit an t'ant”. Such a blessed relief. Such is cinema life! Yes I particularly liked the part where young Kate ran up to Ned in the Chinamen quarters yelling “Jaysus Ned dav takin Ma!”

The Last Outlaw
From: Marian Matta [mandpmatta@yahoo.com.au] 28 Mar 03
Channel Seven should be congratulated for their sensitive editing of The Last OutLaw. Why bother with scenes such as Maggie leading the troopers a merry dance or the symathisers going stir-crazy in gaol or Ned buying little presents for the young children at home when you have the opportunity to make space for meaningful ads for funeral insurance and the like? Perhaps they were gently trying to point out that Ned's life wasn't all hard knocks - at least he didn't have to worry about who was paying for his funeral! Hang your head in shame, Channel Seven - if a job's worth doing, etc. Can anyone provide a list of the edited scenes? IF the DVD ever happens, I expect to find them back in place. Still, it was good to see it again - by the end I was a sobbing, snuffly mess. Yes, I know, I should get a life. Now on to Heath Ledger! Feel free to contact Channel Sevens National Marketing Manager Peter Jenetsky on 02 9877 7480 and let him know how you feel. And sign our petition

Hello
From: Carol Werner [carola4@optusnet.com.au] 27 Mar 03
Hi this is very important to us. Could you please email me with the following information on Ned Kelly. What prison was he hung in and where is he buried? Thank you in anticipation. Ned was well hung at the Old Melbourne Gaol. Where he is truly buried is anyones guess...

Ned Kelly the movie
From: Bruce Johnson [brucej@alphalink.com.au] 27 Mar 03
I have just had a look at the new Ned Kelly the movie, I will not be seeing it a second time, looks like we will have to wait for the next version to get the real facts, this version is a bastardisation of the truth, they had a chance to produce a good movie, but we got rubbish, its a pity the public will think its the truth. No argument here

Give it to me
From: Sonny Jim [sonny_jim69@hotmail.com] 26 Mar 03
Can you tell me about Ned Kelly. Can you tell me about him and what sort of things he did when he was alive? No, I can’t

The Last Outlaw Episode 1
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 25 Mar 03
It's official. Channel Seven cut 5 minutes from the first episode of The Last Outlaw.

The Last Outlaw
From: Jan Spratt [jspratt@kpmg.com.au] 25 Mar 03
Just wondering if you could suggest where I could obtain a copy of The Last Outlaw miniseries (1980) with John Jarrett.  Channel Seven is unable to assist. I would be grateful of any assistance. Best bet was to set your tape recorder as it was on Channel Seven this week.

The Last Outlaw
From: David Clayton [David.Clayton@transport.sa.gov.au] 25 Mar 03
Hi, is it possible to get a copy of the TV Series The Last Outlaw on Video? Thankyou. Yes, your best bet was to set your tape recorder as it was on Channel Seven this week.

Ned's accent (the truth will not go away)!
From: Mick Fitzsimons [mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com] 23 Mar 03
Brad, you may be interested (but probably not) in an article that appeared in the Saturday 22 March 2003 edition of the Sydney Morning Herald by Philip Derriman. The article questions the use of an Irish accent for Ned Kelly. The article (News Review page 57), titled Begorrah, Ned, or maybe g’day is a well written piece and puts both sides of the argument across. Those for an Aussie accent and keeping with the truth and maintaining of our national pride and identity, will be heartened by it. Those who oppose the use of our own accent, will no doubt find some comfort in the ranting of those who were told by somebody, who was told by somebody else, who was a second cousin, five times removed from a bloke who did some fencing for one of the Kelly’s neighbours (at any one of the places they lived), that Ned spoke with an Irish Brogue. Yes, I am interested...

Rare Ned Kelly Books
From: Paul O'Keefe [okeefe@smartchat.net.au] 23 Mar 03
I see alot of people are interested in purchasing rare and hard to find books related to the Kelly Gang. It is quite easy to find these books thanks to the net, especially books by J. J. Keneally’s Inner history of the Kelly Gang and also John Molony's Ned Kelly are both a must to read. These can be sourced from rare book dealers such as BSP Gallery Old and rare books website bspgallery.com.au I have bought from this company and find them very easy and helpful to deal with. I advise anyone wishing to further their Kelly knowledge to steer clear away from Carey's and Drewe's bastardisation of the truth and read Keneally's and Molony's books. They’re well worth the search.
Regards
Paul O'Keefe
Etty Hart's Great Great Grandson — Steve Hart's Great Great Nephew
and proud Kelly Gang Decendant

re: Ned Kelly, bog Irish? I think not
From: Paddy O'Shea [paddyos@noemail.com] 22 Mar 03
Just for the record. I am Australian born with English parents. Although my Australian accent is probably the most recognizable (the older I get the more Australian I sound) most people can tell I have a southern-English accent on top. Everyones different. Everyones brought up in different ways. My parents brought me up in a very English way. I have many friends with parents from all different places in the world, some of them sound like true blue Aussies and some of them sound very much like there parents. Im also from an area in Perth where a lot of English people live, which I think has a large influence on the way I speak. So it doesnt surprise me in the least that Ned Kelly sounded Irish. Ive heard tapes of myself as a child and I literally sound like a cockney from London. How anyone can say that being a first generation Australian with foreign parents doesnt have any impact on the way you speak (amongst other things) is totally ignorant. I think theyve portrayed the character of Ned Kelly perfectly alright in this film. Ta be sure...

Request for Information
From: Leanne [nora@primus.com.au] 20 Mar 03
Hello, my name is Leanne. When I was in Year 8, many years ago I might add (possibly 1973), I remember finding a poem on Ned Kelly. I'm not 100% certain, but I thought it may have been in an English Text Book. I would love to track down the poem if possible. Is there any chance at all that you may have heard of it? You may think this is a rather strange request, but if one doesn't ask one doesn't find out anything. I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank-you for your time. A needle in a hay stack?

Information
From: Alana West [hands_off_the_merchandise@hotmail.com] 20 Mar 03
Can you please send me some information on some of the heroic things that Ned Kelly did. Thank you. Now lets see...

School Project
From: Tim Gould [matm_gould@bigpond.com] 20 Mar 03
My son has a project on Ned Kelly, the one thing that we are not sure of is,  how many banks did  Ned and the Kelly  gang rob, I can only find (2) two. Is this true or are there  more, please tell me one way or the other, and if there are more, can you please state which banks they were. Thankyou. Euroa and Jerilderie

'My thoughts...
From: Caroline Torode [torode78@hotmail.com] 19 Mar 03
Just writing to congratulate you on one of the most comprehensive websites on Ned Kelly! I studied the Kelly Outbreak in depth at uni as part of my Arts degree (a History major) and it whetted my interest in the Kelly Legend. I now teach Australian history to secondary school students, whereby I definitely intend on covering the Kelly Gang. By students studying the Kelly Gang, I hopefully will be passing on my deep interest in Ned Kelly and, more importantly, my love for Australian history; as Kelly is a symbol for what we have stood for throughout our brief, yet rich, cultural history. One of my most prized possessions is a signed Peter Barlow print of Ned Kelly, which I admit, always receives favourable comments from people when they come over to visit! lol! Also, if anyone could help me, I am looking for my own copy of Keneally's 'The True History of the Kelly Gang' and also another book written by Ian Jones written in the late 80's or early 90's solely about Joe Byrne and Aaron Sherrit - I can't remember the name of the book, but I remember that it had a hard red cover. All help would be greatly appreciated. Anyway, well done on a great job of this website!

Death Mask
From: Wayne Strickland [wayne@satnav.com.au] 16 Mar 03
I am a keen supporter of Ned Kelly and am happy to have traded one of my paintings for a death mask of Ned. It came from the studio of the late Max Meldrum, Australian artist. Envy...

The Last Outlaw
From: Rodney Butler [Rodney.Butler@screensound.gov.au] 13 Mar 03
Dear Clients. You are receiving this email because, over the past two years, you have contacted us regarding the series The Last Outlaw. As you know, we haven't been able to provide access to this title, however please note that Channel 7 in Melbourne will be screening the series, commencing Monday March 24 at Noon. We're not sure whether this will be broadcast over the entire Channel 7 network. I hope this will give you all the chance to view what we were unable to provide. Tune in!
Rodney Butler
Collection Access
ScreenSound Australia
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Telephone 02 6248 2125

Who was Mr Johns?
From: Harry Shrubshall [harrykim@tpg.com.au] 12 Mar 03
In his Jerilderie Letter Ned mentions his first major tangle with the law over horse stealing and mentions a Mr Johns. Reading between the lines it appears Johns was the fellow that led McCormacks horse away from Greta to help pull Goulds wagon out of a bog. This was no doubt at a request for help from Ned and or his mother which later led to the feud between the Goulds and McCormacks. Question: Does anyone know anything more about who Mr Johns was? Ned only gives a brief mention of him but my feeling is he was definately implicated in getting the horse that got Ned into so much trouble.

Looking for information
From: Brian Bugden [bsbugden@optusnet.com.au] 09 Mar 03
Hi, my name is Brian Bugden and I am looking for anyone who knew my family. My great grandparents were Dinny McAuliffe and Patrick Delaney. My mum (Maureen McAuliffe) mums dad was Patrick and her dads dad was Dinny. There would have been no problem with marriage!

re: Ned Kelly the movie - Gregor Jordan
From: Sharon Hollingsworth [sharonandchuck@myfastmail.com] 09 Mar 03
Brad, I lurk around the Orlando Bloom (who portrays Joe Byrne in the Ned Kelly movie) message boards quite a bit, and I read that someone saw the preview of the movie in London and they gave many spoilers —such as that horse's blood is drunk by the gang just like in the novel. Drewe should have been strung up for writing crap like that. I cringe at the thought at the number of viewers who, because they see it up on the silver screen, believe it as true. For men like Ned, horses were their lifeline (and I'm not talking food). Horses were their only means of transport and one of their main sources of income. Ned regarded his horses, especially Mirth and Music as part of his kin.

The Last Outlaw
From: Darron Quinn [drquinn@bigpond.net.au] 08 Mar 03
I just wanted to know if it is possible to purchase the movie  The Last Outlaw. I remember watching it on TV when I was 12, even then, I was riveted to the very end! It was one of the best telemovies I have ever watched. The Last Outlaw will be screened on Channel 7 from Monday March 24 at 12pm

Please Help Me!
From: Rennae O'Meley [skid_it33@hotmail.com] 06 Mar 03
I am very interested in the Ned Kelly Gang history. I have been told by family members that I am some how conected to the history because an ansesstor was in the Kelly Gang.
I am doing a speech at my school about where i come from, so it would be very helpful if you could reply with  any information you may have about my realitive. My last name is O'Meley, but somewhere through the years the spelling has chandged a little, but i think its very close but spelt different. this is why its difficult for myself to find out information on my family history in the Kelly Gang. Another relative?

re: John Bown’s Ned Kelly
From: Lola Rowe [lola@winnet.com.au] 06 Mar 03
A great relationship john.brown51@bigpond.com. Tell us more. As my Great Grandmother was Catherine Quinn, while yours must have been Jane Quinn sister with their sister being Ellen Kelly. Now that clears things up...

Ned's Birth Place
From: Grahame Thom [grthom@bigpond.com] 05 Mar 03
I live at Wallan. Recently the local publican claimed that Ned was born at Wallan rather than at the neighbouring town of Beveridge. In other words his mum went to her parents' (the Quinns) home in Wallan for the birth of Ned. Who knows who is right. Beveridge was first called Mercer's Vale and one of the first squattors in the area was an Archibald Thom in about 1837. His homestead was located near Beveridge's spring just north west of the site of the future Kelly house (about .5 km away). My guess is that his run included the house site. Any comments? I think you may be on to something here...

Ned for Kiwis
From: Sam Bennett [imsambennett@hotmail.com] 03 Mar 03
Finally, something for us Ned starved folks here in NZ! (I refer to the coming show in Wellington this week). I am going to do my best to get down to Wellie to check it out. Thanks for letting us know ironoutlaw. All the exhibitions etc in Melbourne at the moment are making me very homesick. Great site.

Last Outlaw Release
From: Trevor Harbord [trevor.h@optusnet.com.au] 01 Mar 03
Thanks for the ultra speedy delivery of the Ned the Exhibition booklet I ordered! To the folks at Ironoutlaw.com, as keen as I know you are to have The Last Outlaw released I have no doubt you will be promoting yours / our petition loudly at the Legend of Ned Kelly as this would be a perfect opportunity. I personally would even be satisfied if Channel 7 screened the series so I could tape it as they dont deserve to make big bucks on VHS/DVD sales because they’ve been that bloody ordinary about the whole Last Outlaw topic. ALSO did anyone read the your say write in from Peter Joss in Friday 28th February Melbourne Herald Sun?? Well this is what I wrote in the same day hoping they would print it soon:

I am a proud Australian with an avid interest in our history. I have studied the outbreak in great detail so when I read I believe biased or uninformed articles (as Peters 28 February 2003) I feel compelled to reply largely based on facts not opinion. Peter states Ned Kelly was a whinger and Bullierer, did he bully Peter at school as his critisism sounds first hand? To those that Ned Kelly is an Australian Legend, I believe it is because we all love the rare battler who has the courage to act against the overwhelming odds and who treats his fellow people with respect until his life is threatened. Peter states the general population of the times loathed The Kellys, The general population do not write the newspapers. It also sounds as if you have very selected viewing with the articles you read.

The monument placed in Mansfield was at the instigation of the Police force / Government and does not directly reflect the overall public view of the Kellys, even though it gives recognition to the loss of the police in their duties. I have not seen a monument to the individuals killed by police fire in Glenrowan during the 1880 siege! The Melbourne public of the 1870 and 80s were largely uninformed in the exploits of the gang compared to the information available to us today. The most damming documentation against the Police of the time was from their own mouths: The Royal Commision investigation into the Police Involvement in the Kelly Outbreak, we cant doubt their own words, why would they reflect themselves in poor light and sack and demote many members of the force if they had done no wrong?

I strongly agree with Peters great idea to teach the story of the Kelly outbreak in schools. If this is done unbiased with the facts presented only, a new generation of Australians will look at the Kellys as heroes and Legends even though loss of life during the saga was very tragic.

The new Ned movie
From: Michael Sweet [msweet@sweetresults.com.au] 27 Feb 03
I am pretty stoked that we are only one month away from the release of a movie about the greatest story ever told. However, after receiving my copy of the Australian Way (Qantas in-flight magazine) in which the movie is the feature article and after viewing a series of shots of the new cast, I was struck by the glitter of it all. I know that Hollywood requires sex appeal to interest an audience, but I do believe that the meat behind Neds story is compelling enough to send audiences to the box office in droves. For example, Heaths beard is ridiculously pretty and perfectly groomed. One of the most distinctive things in my mind about Ned is his big, bushy, unruly beard. The clothes he and his gang wear appear to be more in line with the attire of squatters and aristocracy than you would expect to see worn by a poor Irish brood. They look like they are ready to go to the opera. Why couldn't they just have a look at the limited number of photos of Ned and figure out that he dressed himself from an impoverished wardrobe? These guys in the movie look like manicured models wearing period dress and their skin is so clean and glowing that I could barely believe my eyes. Imagine if was made for Bollywood!

The Last Outlaw
From: Jan Galacher [victoriana21@hotmail.com] 23 Feb 03
I am trying to get a video copy of the 1980 mini-series The Last Outlaw with John Jarratt, could you please advise me via email. Yes, well...

The Last Outlaw - Again!
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 22 Feb 03
Brendan, I've always found Channel 7 quite helpful in telling me they have no rights to the mini-series and that it's all up to Ian Jones. I even have letters from them saying this. So, it shouldn't be that hard. It's simple — everytime Mr Jones or (for example) your good self find yourselves in front of the media talking about Ned (like you were this weekend in the Herald Sun) why not MENTION the mini-series, MENTION it should be on DVD, MENTION how popular it is and that people want it released, USE your media contacts to bring some pressure on Channel 7 or Ian Jones or whoever... get the public on side and DO something about it! Make it an embarrassment that this great series isn't available. Use your 15 minutes of fame to get the mini-series out on the shelves. If Channel 7 are sponsoring your exhibition, USE your contacts inside 7 to get this DVD released. I can see your point but surely if it was that simple both Berendan and Ian would have done so by now. Afterall they, like most of us, are in the business of making money

The Last Outlaw on DVD
From: Kelly [kktkelly@aol.com] 21 Feb 03
Dear sir, when will The Last Outlaw be on DVD? I would love to have a copy. Huh?

True History of the Kelly Gang
From: Mark Myers [mark.myers@btinternet.com] 20 Feb 03
Well worth a look. Although fictional, as in written by the hand of Ned Kelly himself, this 2001 Booker prize winner makes good reading. Amazing...

Ned Kelly
From: John Brown [john.brown51@bigpond.com] 18 Feb 03
Hello, my name is John Brown and I have recently taken quite an interest in all things Ned, due to some rather remarkable circumstances. I am 52 years old and my sister and brother were going through our deceased father's papers, when they came across a number of marriage and death certificates pertaining to his mother, our grandmother, who passed away in 1939, so obviously we had no real knowledge of her, save for the odd bit of imformation passed onto us by our father.Her married name was Jane Brown, wed to Mathew Brown at Benalla in1896. Jane's maiden name was Lloyd and her parents, our greatgrandparents, were in turn Tom Lloyd and Jane Lloyd neeQuinn. It didn't take long for it to dawn on us that this was the Old Tom Lloyd of Ned Kelly fameand that our greatgrandmother was Ellen Kelly's sister, making our grandmother Jane Brown Ned's first cousin. The puzzling aspect of these startling revelations was that it took all this time to find out. I can only put it down to the fact that as my dad was growing up in the early 1900's it would have been prudent to not mention any family connections with the Kelly's or the Quinns in your resume, being a mick was bad enough. There is also the fact that our mum was a bit of a snob and would have probably forbade dad from ever mentioning it to us kids. So there you have it, a small tale but one with Kelly connections nevertheless, I hope you found it of interest Yes I did!

Information on Ned Kelly
From: Stuart Lord [stuartlord@bigpond.com] 18 Feb 03
My name is Tom Lord and I am in Grade 5 and I was wondering if you have any information on Ned Kelly because I am doing a project at school (Noosaville State School, Queensland). I have already printed some information off the internet, but if there is anything else you think might be suitable could you please send it to me. Schools back! Sorry Stuart but everything I have on Ned is right here. Believe me, I ain't holding nothing back!

The Last Outlaw - Again!
From: Steve Gerlach [gerlach@ains.net.au] 17 Feb 03
Surely NOW is the time for THE LAST OUTLAW to be released on DVD. While Ian Jones is swanning around in front of the media and press, talking about Ned and his crimes, why doesn't he use it as an opportunity to remind people of the best Australian mini-sreies ever made? Hell, everyone's forgotten it by now, and it doesn't even rate a mention in Kelly Screenologies. I don't care whose fault it is. I'm sick of Channel 7 saying Mr Jones owns it. I'm sick of Mr Jones saying Channel 7 owns it. Why don't they get together and work out a deal!? Is it that hard to put money into these peoples' pockets? An all region, NTSC and PAL version of the mini series (with commentary by Jones and Jarratt) would sell dozens a day in Glenrowan alone! Not to mention all the other stores around the country. Come on, guys, get serious and let's get this DVD out into the world before the movies swallow our last chance. What the hell are you waiting for? I think Ian tends to swagger not swan. Seriously though, whoever is at fault (and I'm leaning heavily heavily towards Channel 7) they are missing out on a golden marketing opportunity.

Helllllllllloooooo
From: Sarah Elphick, Emily Scrivener, Georgie Parkman
and Kate Scrivener [belle4me@horsemail.com] 17 Feb 03
Hello we are yr 6 students from Murringo public school and we had to do some research on a famous Australian and we chose Ned Kelly. We were wondering if you could send us a full picture of him with the Kelly Gang. Thankyou very much and could you send the picture as soon as possible. Sorry kids but there was never any photos taken of the whole band together...

Re: Vultures?
From: Eric Wilson [ericwilson_1@hotmail.com] 11 Feb 03
I am pleased to see your website (in response to Nicky Cowie's email) highlighting the motives of the so called professional historian. Just as in other pursuits, like sport, the difference between professional and amateur is simple - one gets paid the other doesn't. It is time we looked beyond these lables and the accompanying marketing spin and assessed the quality of the work. Unfortunately the Kelly story seems to suffer more than most from references to exclusive and private documents, as well as private conversations with people who are now dead. I agree with Nicky Cowie that the lack of material increases the competition. But I dont think it is possessiveness that keeps the material hidden, I suspect it is because the material may not actually exist. I am astonished that this issue has not been raised before. I suggest those serious about the Kelly history should ask for proof or treat it as a hoax. This will either bring these remarkable documents out of the shadows (like the Jerrilderie letter), or move a few more books from non-fiction to fiction. Well said!

Re: Vultures?
From: Sharon and Chuck [sharonandchuck@myfastmail.com] 11 Feb 03
I would like to submit some feedback with regards to Kelly “Research Envy”. The old adage “I complained because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet” comes to mind when I read all this tempest in a teacup at Ironoutlaw over Kelly research. I sure hope all the Australian Kelly Gang enthusiasts realize how very lucky they are that they even have the vast resources available to them to research for information. Looking at the State Library of Victoria catalog online makes my heart ache when I see what is on offer free of charge to anyone who walks through their doors. Consider the American Ned Kelly fans like myself (not that there are that many of us) who live in rural areas of the United States with practically no access to anything Kelly related.

My local library had the Carey book and was able to get through interlibrary loan Our Sunshine. I have tried for other titles, but at $5 a pop per search which they charge whether they find the book or not, and nothing forthcoming as of yet, it is a total washout. And trying to get these “collectible” books out of Australia is a high dollar deal and the postage is sky high! Online auction sites have given me much amusement lately in that regard, I think some people need to do so research along those lines! I have found listings online for books of the same vintage and copyright much cheaper elsewhere! Especially one recently that would have been around $100 less if they would have only just done a simple search. The mind boggles! So all this bellyaching in this forum over “ownership” of research really burns me up! (to a Cinder!). Someone like myself who is quite keen and desperate for knowledge is left out in the cold with my nose pressed to the window, while others indulge and steep themselves in the privilege and luxury of research and want to keep it to themselves (or worse, want you to pay for it when you buy their book!) What a crying shame!

Brad, I want to thank you and others like you (such as Bailup’s Nicky Cowie) who freely share what they have gleaned with other like minded souls. If I were wearing a hat, I would tip it! If it weren't for a fine online friendship I have struck up with an Aussie Ned fan (who shall remain nameless, since I want to keep him all to myself much like certain others want to keep all the research to themselves! Not sure about the “clutching to my chest” part though! LOL!), I would not have the knowledge of Ned that I do today. I want to publically thank this gentleman who has gone above and beyond the call of friendship and international goodwill and has spent out of his own pocket and taken much of his precious time to help “Neducate” me! And the rest of you, be oh, so grateful that you can access all the books, the music, the festivals, the exhibitions, and the actual historical sites and are getting the movie first! Long Live Ned! Sharon Hollingsworth, United States of America

Ned Kelly
From: Heinz Reitmeier [heinzr@bigpond.com.au] 11 Feb 03
Could you please help me with 2 questions? Firstly, what date in June 1855 was Ned born? And secondly, I work for the City Of Yarra at the old Fitzroy Town Hall in Napier Street. There is a rumour that when Ned was brought to Melbourne in late 1880 he was first held in a cell underneath the Fitzroy Town Hall, to elude the press due to the public interest in the case. At that time the town hall was also a combined court house, police station complex. Is this rumour true? Why June 1855? There seems to be two lines of thought on the birth year of Ned (so image the arguement for pin pointing his birth day). Ian Jones thinks it is late 1854 while Max Brown seems to think it is early 1855. As for part 2 of your question, anything is possible....

Ned Kelly’s Horse
From: Robyn Walsh [rbynwalsh@aol.com] 10 Feb 03
I would like to know the name of Ned Kelly"s horse. Thank You. A bay mare by the name of Mirth

Re: Vultures?
From: Nicky Cowie [nickycowie@today.com.au] 08 Feb 03
Of late there has been a lot of opinion and discussion (both on and off line) about the ethics of amateur historians and debate about who the ‘rightful’ owner of this, or that, piece of information ‘really’ is - and how people ‘should’, or should not, behave. I would like to offer my two cents worth for others to consider. I find history to be a fascinating thing to study and have no desire to gain anything personally from my research except knowledge. I know the majority of people have the same motive for studying the Kelly story. There may be a small number of researchers who do not fit into this category, but even so, I believe the main reason for the infighting and possessiveness I hear of, is not ‘vulturism’ - but is actually because Australian history is very short, relatively uneventful, and there are a lot of people researching it. Australian historians are left with only depth, rather than volume, to examine, and as with any limited material - sometimes fighting and possessiveness can result. Australians also honour our individual historians highly, which no doubt contributes to a combative environment.
 
I agree with Marian, that (public) history ‘belongs to all of us and none of us’. While credit should always be given to the initial researcher for a discovery, it is not always easy to determine whom the initial researcher actually was. Publication dates are a guide but, like science, with history it does not automatically apply that those who follow have simply ‘copied’. Additionally, just because one researcher publishes something (in any format) when their counterpart does not - doesn’t mean that the published historian ‘owns’ that particular finding. Afterall, the information already existed for anyone to find. I am aware that occasionally historians have documents that they keep exclusively, never intending to share by publication or otherwise, and this practice concerns me. I would think it a sad things if upcoming researchers take this approach, simply because others have set the example. It is surely far better for everyone to throw what we have into the pot - and stir.
 
Serious research is very time consuming, sometimes costly, usually tedious, but always worthwhile. How, or by whom, the history is presented to the public is largely immaterial. History is not a concrete field of study, research should be ongoing by as many people as possible, and all historical claims and facts should be verified. I would think the Kelly researchers who have gone before us all, would welcome others to check their research, and to use their work as stepping stones for further discovery and learning. Otherwise, what’s the point? Every historian’s knowledge and work relies on other people’s knowledge and work (reading any authors ‘sources’ and ‘acknowledgements’ shows this), therefore credit to individuals should not be sought, or given, out of proportion. I hope that people will reconsider decisions not to share ! their findings, or to try and gain notoriety (or money) by selective publishing. Australian history is no different to any other countries in value - the fact that it is limited - simply means we have to learn to share.
 
I would like to acknowledge the many (often forgotten) descendants and independent researchers who, for whatever reason, never publish their own knowledge or work, great or small, but openly and freely pass it on to others. Along with those who have the foresight to collate and preserve documents that, at the time, are seemingly of little value, such as Mr. Nunn of the Kelly archives, and those who share altruistically such as the donor of the precious Jerilderie letter. To my mind it is these unsung people who are the most significant caretakers of our history - and without whom there would be no Kelly historians, published or otherwise. Reading the all too numerous volumes of bushranger books surfacing in the wake of the new Ned Kelly movie, one can't help but wonder if some of these “professional” historians aren't simply cashing in by rehashing old news. Maybe it is time to listen to the “amateur” historian — who knows, they may just have something new and exciting to report...

Let's stick together
From: Lisa [lisaannon@bigpond.com.au] 07 Feb 03
I just wondered if I could please use your fantastic webpage to comment on the recent letter from Marian Matta. I agree with her letter and also want to thank her for the information she wrote about the boys, which was really interesting. I think it is only natural for a person to feel possessive about their research. After all a person's hard work, it is totally understandable. But where would we be if people like Ian Jones, Max Brown, Keith McMenomy and Kevin Passey etc. had kept their research to themselves? After all, the only people who are going to really be genuinely interested in Kelly Gang research are just the people who are genuinely interested in Ned, Joe, Steve and Dan to begin with. People who just have a passing interest in them probably wouldn't worry that much, but to those of us who are dedicated seriously to Ned, Joe, Steve and Dan it is a whole other story. If Ned's Declaration for the Republic of North Eastern Victoria or Joe's diaries are ever found, it would be just horrible if the person kept them to themselves. I think that the more Kelly Gang people stick together the better. We have a terrific thing in common. Our admiration and love of these four incredible men. Thanks!

PS The Fatal Friendship - Ned Kelly, Aaron Sherritt & Joe Byrne is just as exciting as when I first read the original “Friendship” back in 1992. What a wonderful book.

Neds Accent
From: Marc Swart [janeandmarc@hotmail.com] 05 Feb 03
I read an article a while back about Neds Accent. Everyone writes that he had a broad Irish accent. I believe that a writer Mick FITZ questioned this and that he didnt necessarily have an Irish accent at all. I found this interesting and have given it some thought and I believe that Mick has a good point. He was born in Australia and reared here. Look at the examples these days... eg. Asian people with a strong English (Australian) speech. Maybe he spoke like an Aussie? I would like some feedback from any other interested writers. Why portray him with an Irish accent when he mightny have had one at all!

Derek Ballantine
From: Lola nee LLOYD [lola@winnet.com.au] 31 Jan 03
What is Mr. Ballantyne up to? Sensationalism? Is that it? To sell more papers? It was in poor taste. I hope you let all our friends and readers know. Yes we all know

Barking up the wrong tree
From: Elizabeth Grady [eg@wtaustralia.com.au] 30 Jan 03
Hi, I work at Working Title and it has been brought to our attention that there is a spelling mistake for Brooke Harman's surname - it is spelt Harman not Harmon. Could you please notify me when this has been changed. If you are unable to change it would you mind letting me know who I should contact in regards to this. While I sympathise with your plight I can do little to correct this fatal flaw, as the website in question nedkellythemovie.com has nothing to do with me. While I would love to help promote your movie, ALL my calls to Jon Anderson at UIP have gone unanswered. He obviously has found another way to get in contact with all those Kelly enthusiasts. And I did so very much want to walk down the red carpet on opening night with Naomi Watts...

Sunday Herald Sun Article
From: Angela Thornton [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 30 Jan 03
Did you catch the article on Ned in the Sunday Herald Sun? It was bloody outrageous, the writer used the most ignorant manner to describe Ned. He claimed that Ned was a cold-blooded murderer who shot “Three unarmed policemen, one was shot in the temple as he ran away from Ned”. Nice to see reporters doing their research well eh? Well anyway, thanks again for the prize. The t-shirt fits a treat, I gave the other one to my brother. And the poster is a beaut, I hung it on my wall! Will you attend the film festival? I hope I will it's this weekend so I'll try and get to it. Anyhoo, I'll catch you later. Yes that Derek Ballantine is a far tosser. Love to know which psychologist he was quoting, probably his own! See you at the film festival.

Ned Kelly Website
From: Pete O'Donnell [setep05@hotmail.com] 30 Jan 03
I have just found your website Iron Outlaw and I feel that I should let you know that to find someone as passionate about Ned and the gang as you are made my day. I think that Ian Jones has done a terrific job over the years of continuing the legend and his dedication to the task has to be admired. I was extremely disappointed with Peter Carey's book and even though I finished reading it, at times, I felt like just closing it and putting it away. As you say on your website, it was just pure fiction and the worst thing about it is that he has made and will make zquillions of dollars out of it. Why Carey had to make out that Red Kelly was a transvestite and that Dan Kelly was perhaps homosexual is beyond me. I dont hold out much hope for the Heath Ledger version of it either as from what I hear, Ned has a romance with a wealthy widow and numerous other amendments to history just to add a little “spice” to the yarn. Being of Irish descent myself, I find Ned to be what most Australians would call a good mate and as history shows, stood by his mates even when his own life was in extreme danger. Hope I didn’t take up too much of your time, but as I said, it is great to find someone as passionate as yourself, Ian Jones and a few others. Passion makes the world a better place!

Family Ties
From: Laurie Keenan [44indian@tpg.com.au] 28 Jan 03
I was just enquiring as to whether Ned Kelly was ever married or had any children. Well, according to Peter Carey...

The Iron Outlaw Symbol
From: Maurice Parker [mozpark@yahoo.com] 27 Jan 03
Could you please give an insight into the 'Iron Outlaw' symbol and it's relevence to Ned Kelly. Previously read of a 'Kelly' branding iron and was wondering if this is the same. The EK symbol is based on the brand Ned Kelly used. The E and reversed K conjoined was carried by all Kelly's horses including the impressive bay mare Mirth which he rode through most of his outlaw years.

Joe Byrne and Tom Lloyd?
From: Peter Hocking [hocking4@foxall.com.au] 24 Jan 03
Click on the photo to enlarge
I would like to congratulate you on the site it is great and a big help when interested in the life of the Kelly's. I was wondering if you could assist myself and our family as our family originally settled in the Omeo area in the 1850's my grandfather and great grandfather were very fond of the Kelly's and always defended there actions, we have an interesting photo of our great grandfather and members of the Kelly gang outside a mine we believe to be Mountain Maid and we are of the belief it includes both Joe Burn and possibly Tom Lloyd. Is there anyway of verifying our belief? This photo has so much family history attached if you are able identify the characters it would certainly settle a few family discussions. It's Joe Byrne. The correct spelling I mean, as for the photo — so far everyone I have shown it to are loath to give it the thumbs up...

Ned Kellys Armour
From: Adrien Sweetman [sweetman@uq.net.au] 19 Jan 03
Please note. In the republished edition of 'Ned Kelly,The AUTHENTIC Illustrated history'
Ned Kellys armour is incorrect. The armour has Neds helmet and chest plate, yet then has either Dan or Steves lap plate. What is most amazing is the fact that the lap plate is held on by an iron hinge, which on Neds breast plate simply disappears to re-appear on what most believe to be Dans Chest plate. These books are looked upon as guidance towards the truth that is the Kelly Outbreak, and such mistakes are unforgivable. Very naughty Keith!

Congratulations
From: Danny Argaet [danny.argaet@defence.gov.au] 17 Jan 03
Firstly i would like to thank you for putting such a good site together i would like to find out off you how hard a journey it has been to get where you are today, ever since i could read Ned has been a hero to me even though early on i did not understand what kind of man he was i have tried to learn about him and i would eventually like to express my feelings to paper this man has had an effect on me, i drive down to glenrowan and visit the surrounding areas once a year trying to talk to people to find out what i can i read every book web site i can find to get an accurate feeling of the truth, do you think that it will ever come out?. There just seems to be so many stories which ones are believable, i have hundreds of questions that i could ask but where do you start, do you ever have meetings just for kelly fans to sit and share ideas this would help me alot my girlfriend thinks i give ned more attention then her, unfortunalty i am in my early twenties and have missed alot but in conclusion i just want to say that don't stop what you are doing keep up the good work and maybe in the future our paths will cross.

Ned Kelly Suits
From: Emma and Matt [stone@satlink.com.au] 17 Jan 03
Hi there, I was just wondering if you could point me in the right direction. I have recently met a young artist/welder, Walter Johnson who makes the most incredible Ned Kelly suits of Armour. These suits stand at 6ft tall, mounted on a recycled hardwood frame.  They are made from battered, tarnished sheet metal.  I saw them at a local market and they were attracting crowds. Would you be able to tell me if any one would be interested in these. I am able to send a photo if you require one. Yes send me a picture!

DNA
From: Carolyn Allen [artisans@halenet.com.au] 13 Jan 03
Does anyone have any Kelly DNA - ie Red's, his brothers and sisters, or Ned's? Why would anyone have something like that lying around? Then again this question comes from the same person who co-wrote that god awful book “Burnt To A Cinder” (see our Book Fiction section)

Thankyou for the Prizes
From: Aidan Phelan [angela_thornton@optusnet.com.au] 10 Jan 03
Thankyou for delivering the fantastic prize I won. Unfortunately I was not avilable when you delivered it, but I am impressed greatly by the prize. Also, the Ned klelly movie web site has been updated and has all of the other features they promoted in their introductory e-mail. And I also signed the ironoutlaw petition to get The last outlaw released to vhs and dvd, good luck with following that up. anyway, take it easy and have fun doing whtever it is you do when your not working on the site, etc. and hopefully I will be in contact with you at later dates! And some people had the nerve to ask me if the survey competition was rigged!

Ned Kelly Movie
From: Petrina Meldrum [cybele@chariot.net.au] 11 Jan 03
Hi, thanks for the great site. Can you confirm that the movie will definately be called 'Ned Kelly' and the World Premier will definately be on March 27, in Melbourne. Do you know when it will be released for general viewing? I'll be first in line. I can't confirm anything at this stage as no one from United International Pictures has returned my calls. Maybe I should delete all reference to their site. When they realise how much traffic was coming via ironoutlaw.com they may just call me back!

Marlyin Reid
From: Johnny [sweet_lil_angel_2k_2002@yahoo.com] 10 Jan 03
Do any of you know Folk Legend by Marlyin Reid  if so please send me an email.

John Charles Lowe
From: Marian Matta [mandpmatta@yahoo.com.au] 09 Jan 03
This article (or something very similar) appeared in an edition of the ABC magazine many years ago, accompanied by a photo of Mr Lowe and a number of female relatives. It's a great account of Glenrowan. I got the reference out of John Meredith and Bill Scott's book Ned Kelly After A Hundred Years Of Acrimony, a wonderful source of references for stuff on Ned. Article?

re: Movie Release
From: Laurie Jaques [ricebubbly@hotmail.com] 06 Jan 03
I thought about what you wrote and though I see your point of view, I honesty think Ned Kelly would like the idea of his story available to as large an audience as possible, wouldn't he see it as a great chance for his side of the story and opinions of the government and police to be displayed? However, I do agree the cash-in aspect is really high.

Sgt Babbington
From: Bill Leaver [billeah@iinet.net.au] 06 Jan 03
Love the site - especially the feedback. Loved the Peter Carey book (but wish he'd not written it - bet that doesnt make sense to you). My first Ned Kelly book was Australian Son published 1948. Am very interested in the Babbington connection; the only book that refers to Ned's letter to Sgt Babbington is Ian Jones. Any one have anything? Dare I give my opinion, and although I consider myself to be one of those amateur history buffs (who sometimes cop a fair amount of sledging), I don't think the historical accuracy of the unfortunately the email runs out here. Feel free to send it in again

The Last Outlaw
From: Ron Allen [ronallen1@iprimus.com.au] 06 Jan 03
I have been a Ned fan since I was a young boy I am now nearly 50, I loved the mini series The Last Outlaw and was wondering if it is available on video or DVD and if not, why?

Ned Kelly
From: K Kelly [kktkelly@aol.com] 04 Jan 03
I am wondering if Ned Kelly is in print, movie or book? Thank you. Please get back to me as I would like to know more about him. Oh where do I start?