Ned
Story
From: Anthony Smit [aezlove@primusonline.com.au] 21
Jul 08
Hi all, While I don't like to provide free
advertising for television stations, just letting u
all know that tomorrow night Tuesday (22/7/2008) at
7.30pm, there's a show on channel 7 called the
One.
They have a bunch of psychics sitting in the Old Melbourne
Gaol, trying to get information about where Ned is
buried. Should be interesting to check out and amusing
at least. Looking forward to catching up at Beechworth. Psychics
or psychos?
Slightly
Biased
From:
Charlie Showers [charlie@snowshow.tv] 19 Jul 08
G'day Brad, first thing I just wanted to
congratulate you on the Ironoutlaw site, a fantastic
reference and a great place to whittle away some time
looking into the past. One thing I feel compelled to
add though is that you state this site as a place to
come and explore the previous 150 years of history
to discover for yourself weather Ned was a crazed bushranger
or a victim of the system. However I don't get a balanced
view from this site, especially when someone like Alex
McDermott is placed into a section called "NUTBAGS,
SHOWBAGS, AND RATBAGS". I see his opinions as
adding to the debate and the roundness of your website.
I enjoyed reading his article, although I don\'t agree
with much of it, he has some valid points which need
to be aired, not denigrated because "he has never
had a real job". For your site to truly remain
the greatest reference point for Ned Kelly on line
I think you need to show both points of view without
bias, otherwise Ironoutlaw risks simply becoming the
greatest pro-Kelly site with little regard for all
comments on his character, good and bad. Debate is
healthy, you should encourage it, not simply brand
anyone who dares pull Ned off his hero stand with personal
attacks. I do congratulate you though for showing such
articles, at least you don\'t ignore them It would
just be great to be able to read them without a preface
of denigration. That said I'm on your side mate, I
live in Beechworth and love the Kelly history. Regardless
of his pros and cons, the story is fascinating and
worth celebrating (and worth debating). Hope to meet
you for a beer up here in a few weeks time for the
Kelly weekend. Much
like Mr Jones, I'm still trying to work out what fresh
'facts' McDermott is presenting? While there's no such
thing as a wrong opinion, I guess personally I dislike
'Danny' for what he stands for (which isn't much
really, so maybe I secretly adore him!). Of course
I'm biased. After spending more than thirteen years
working on this web site I'm entitled to be. And with
over 8.5 million hits a year there's little chance
of this site becoming irrelevant but if it it does
then I'm happy to move on. Remember dear readers,
if you want to get 'a balanced view' may I suggest
you read a lot more than just what's on this
web site.
Was
Ned's Body Mutilated?
From: Peter Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au]
17 Jul 08
I understand that after he was hanged, Ned's
Head was cut off. I have recently been informed that
his scrotum was also scavenged and turned into a purse.
I believe something of the sort happened to 'Mad'
Dan Morgan - a tobacco pouch, was it not? - but not
Ned surely? Now's there's an item you could sell on
eBay (don't ask me what category it would go in
under). Actually his body was multilated as he head
was cut off! However, luckily his nether regions
remained intact. Seems the only scrotums being played
with were between Sergeant Steele and Detective Ward
Ned
Kelly Weekend
From:
Steven Cosgrove [sfacchet@bigpond.net.au] 16 Jul 08
Hi Brad. Looking forward to my first ned
kelly weekend. I am will be in town with an old army
mate from Melbourne. The Friday is my wedding anniversary.
Probably have divorce proceedings against me on my
return home on Sunday night. Such is Life. At least
I won't have to ask for permission in 09. Anyrate
looking forward to meeting you Brad and shouting you
a beer or two for all your help when purchasing items
from Ironoutlaw. Cheers mate. Beeeer...
re. Beechworth Here I Come
From: Noeleen Lloyd [noeleenlloyd@hotmail.com]
16 Jul 08
Well I hope you are packing your long johns,
beanies and other attractive items of warmth Alan -
the weather will make for an interesting night under
the cellar door. Your steam boat billie will not suffice
I fear. Perhaps you could be persuaded into a drop
of the local muscat to warm the bones prior to retiring
- no iced water for me thanks verra much. The weather
has been nothing short of arctic. Myself and a few
others will be around - Beechworth is such a great
place to relax and I truly recommend the bacon sandwiches
at the bakery after a hard night trying to keep warm
by imbibing way too much. We have made the weekend
into an annual "catchup" as the rest of
the year has us slaving away at other things and don't
get the chance to see one another. We were very unorganised
last year (which is not usual for us lot HA HA) and
had to wander the streets to find a meal - we then
of course arrived for the drinks round at the Nick.
Not to be done this year. Hibernian then the Nick.
Sounds good to me...
re.
Armour
From: Louis & Airi [repetti@ozemail.com.au]
15 Jul 08
To Karen and anyone else who's interested. Ned's suit
of armour is on display in the Dome Gallery at The State
Library of Victoria in Melbourne, open every day 10 am
to 5 pm and entry is free, and there's even a free one-hour
tour of the Kelly exhibit (they have the original Jerilderie
Letter as well) every Tuesday morning at 10.30. Steve's
and Dan's armour can be found at the Victoria Police
Museum at The World Trade Centre in Melbourne, open Monday
to Friday 10 am to 4 pm. Joe Byrne's armour is privately
owned. Yes, privately owned by Indiana Jones, arr Lara
Croft, I mean Rupert Hammond...
Armour
From:
Karen [kale@tpg.com.au] 15 Jul 08
Can you tell me where the armor is and if
its on display to the public? Yes it is but not in
one place
Beechworth
Here I Come
From:
Alan Crichton [rcr87285@bigpond.net.au] 14 Jul 08
Well
Bradley, as you are fully aware, it's only 17 more
sleeps to go before the annual Ned Kelly festivities
in Beechworth and I am well
and truly beside myself. My battered suitcase is packed
and ready and all Kelly events booked to my satisfaction
and most joyous delight. I am in such high spirits
at the moment that I am even considering wearing my
Steam Boat Billy cap on the aeroplane and be damned
with it. I have, might I add, barely scraped up enough
coinage to afford myself entrance to your in depth
and long awaited presentation on "Ned
Kelly and the emergence of technology".
Unfortunately, because of my determination to be in
attendance at your presentation and now with most embarrassed
funds, my accommodation has had to be downgraded to
the Hibernian Hotel's beer cellar under the footpath
in Loch Street, but alas, such are the sacrifices one
must make for such an event. I suppose one must also
be grateful that I now have little distance to travel
for the Ironoutlaw punters gathering in the hotel.
If I have not made an appearance by 6.00 pm, would
it be too much to ask, Bradley, if you could give but
three sharp stamps of your boot on my cellar door?
If you cannot see the flickering light from a candle
through the cracks you will know I am otherwise detained
or have just frozen to death. I will afford myself
but one shandy in a tall glass, a handful of peanuts
from the bar, and then fall upon the gracious generosity
of mein host. Would you also happen to know if Ms Lloyd
and Mr. O'Keefe will be in attendance
this year? I would much prefer their company than those
bloody roughians from the logging camp. I have also
been informed that the gentleman bushranger from Bondi,
Brian McDonald, will not be present this year much
to my disappointment. I have also been informed, much
to my delight, there will be more room for the diners
at the Nicholas dinner. Unlike last year, one will
not have to walk along the top of the dining table
to get to the water closet. But be damned with it all
Bradley, the Ned Kelly Weekend is one event I would
not miss for the world, even if it has left me in a
somewhat penniless state. I'm
sure I can shout you a glass of iced water for all
your troubles. As for Paul O'Keefe, he's a no show
this year, something about filling in for Alf on 'Home
and Away'. However, the Lloyd clan should be in attendance
and this year we'll actually book a table at the Hibernian
instead of trying to barge our way in. By the way I'm
missing the Carlton v Adelaide match to go to this
event (then again the way the Blues are playing I'm
glad I'm not travelling to
South Australia)... And Alan, call me Brad.
Only my Nana called me Bradley and she's dead...
re.Ian
Jones
From: Louis & Airi [repetti@ozemail.com.au]
13 Jul 08
Hi Brad. Dave was asking about the plan of Ann Jones'
Inn; here's a photo I took of the board next to the
site in Glenrowan in April. Cheers.
Ned
Kelly the movie by Gregor Jordan
From:
Nick Justice [njusticemtlofty@hotmail.com] 11 Jul 08
Was Gregor Jordan's take so bad? Even 5
years after it was produced i still hear people whinging
about it in certain circles.. I've noticed a few people
crying foul over it. Obviously no movie running an
hour or so can do Justice to the Kelly story but i
still really enjoyed it- so much so i reckon i've
probably watched it close to 50 times and still pick
up on different things each time. (yes i am a kelly
nut but who isn't here lol) I thought the casting
was excellent.. Especially Heath Ledger playing Ned,
Orlando Bloom as Joe and Joel Edgerton as Aaron Sheritt
i thought were brilliant. What do people think??? P.S
if anyone can give me an email address for Ian Jones
that would be awesome :) 50 times!?!
Ian Jones
From: Dave [dero54@optusnet.com.au]
08 Jul 08
hi iornoutlaw can you help me i'm trying to find a
plan of inside ann jones in. how big was it how many
rooms ect like a layout and do you know an email address
for ian jones author of a short life Ian don't do internet...
re.
Joe Byrne
From:
Peter Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 09 Jul 08
I believe the reason the Byrne family did
not claim Joe's remains had something to do with the
'execution' by Joe of his erstwhile friend Aaron
Sherritt. Perhaps the Byrnes realised that Aaron was
stll loyal to the gang but was being used as 'bait'
by Detective Ward. Perhaps Joe simply refused to believe
it and was swept up in the 'master plan' to bring
on the final battle. The slaying of a loyal friend
in front of his pregnant wife would be hard to excuse
under most circumstances. All hypothesis of course.
By the way - is Joes' body still in Benalla Cemetery
and is it well-marked? Yep, it's up the back right
hand corner, you can't miss it
John
'Red' Kelly's Heritage
From:
Claire Kelly [clelly@hotmail.com] 03 Jul 08
Hello. My name is Claire Kelly (no relation I know
of) and I am researching my family history. In doing
so I went to Ancestry.com and found a number of trees
dedicated to Ned. Out of interest I opened a few just
to see if we were cousins of cousins etc. There are
a number of trees submitted (by Americans) who claim
that John 'Red' Kelly's ancestry is from Maryland,
USA. They claim his mothers name was not Mary Cody
and that his father Thomas Kelly immigrated from the
USA to Ireland. I cannot believe this and my blood
is boiling. I may not be related but I am a proud
Kelly and a bloody proud Australian and can not believe
the yanks are claiming Ned Kelly's heritage. Can you
please confirm or deny that John 'Red' Kelly's heritage
is American? Why would anyone immigrate from prosperous
1800's America to famine stricken potato eating Ireland.
Half the country immigrated out. Americans are so
f****n stupid. Sorry. Anyway before I went and blasted
these people with emails I thought I'd check with
the Ironoutlaw in case this absurdity was true. Thanks.
Looking forward to your reply.
Joe Byrne
From: Faith [shits1987@hotmail.com]
02 Jul 08
Hi.. I'm wondering would you no the reasons
behind why Joe's family did not try and get his body
or why his body was not givin to his mother/family? Anyone
out there 'no'?
Ashley Davies
From: Louis & Airi
[repetti@ozemail.com.au] 02 Jul 08
Would you or anyone else be able to tell me where
I could buy the Ned Kelly cd by Ashley Davies
with the booklet by Ian Jones? Thanks! I'm guessing
he'll have a few for sale over the upcoming Beechworth
weekend
Alan Crichton's 'Bumpolgy'
From: Mick Fitzsimons
[mickfitzsimons@hotmail.com]
01 Jul 08
Must say I had a good chuckle over Alan
Crichton’s piece on ‘Bumpology’.
One can only wonder what these ‘scientists’ would
make of the bumps on my noggin after an all too late
night out with the boys. My missus is a tiny thing
and would have to stand on her toes to see over Kevin
Rudd’s wallet and has to run around in the shower
to get wet, but she fights dirty. As she has warned
me, “You have to sleep sometime” and that
when the lumps and bumps mysteriously appear. If the
government gets wind of this, they will introduce a ‘bump
tax’, or a ‘levy of lumps’ and that
could mean a few of us will be in strife.
Who Betrayed Harry Power?
From: Peter Nettleton [stinger@iinet.net.au] 01 Jul
08
At age 15, Ned was 'apprenticed' to notorious
highwayman Harry Power who was then under the protection
of the Quinns, Ned's mother\'s family. Harry was captured
on Quinn land but always believed it was Ned who betrayed
him. At the time, Ned was on remand on charges relating
to Harry\'s highway robberies, of which he was eventually
acquitted. The finger of history points at Jack Lloyd,
Ellen Kelly's brother-in-law, who supposedly led the
police to Harry's hide-out (now known as 'Power's
Lookout', near Whitfield), but I believe the reward
money ended up with the Quinns. My hypothesis is that
it was Ellen who sold Harry to buy Ned's freedom and
the Quinns were paid off to turn a blind eye. Any comments?
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